From:
Kelly Carll Scott
(1980) on Fri May 4 13:21:21 2001
Yeesh! What happened to open minds around here? Perrius, can you really figure out what an entire book is about just by hearing its title? Quick, then, save me the trouble of reading it and tell me how "Point of Origin" ends. P.S. Hey, Davo!
From:
Beautiful
() on Fri May 4 13:13:05 2001
Sorry to disapoint but Beautiful is on my birth certificate. Maybe my parents smoked too much weed. Who knows.
From:
Dave Dalton
(1980) on Fri May 4 12:41:46 2001
Hey Gang!! I can imagine us all standing around having these conversations righr outside Mr Hood's classroom by the library. With our sprouting grey hairs and (in my case) receding hairlines. we could intimidate the freshmen class quite handily with our rapier wit and extensive knowledge and abundant opinions. What a force to be reckoned with!! Regarding the "trivia", English teacher, Ms. Stewart. The class of 1980 is very well represented here !!! I think we kick ass!!!! Hello brother Dave
From:
Kevin Smith
(1981) on Fri May 4 12:19:54 2001
RW - I didn't know a student at SHS did briefly after HS - I'll let a few more people guess before I reveal who I heard the teacher was. I had her for a class my junior year...
From:
Valerie Burton Appleton
(1981) on Fri May 4 12:19:27 2001
Well THAT ought to be the winner for "most unusual job ever held"!! Since the Penthouse model is obviously not ashamed of her God given assets.. fess up, Richard! Who was it? :)
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Fri May 4 11:38:28 2001
Kev, I have no clue who your talking about. However, can you name the student that went on to pose in P-house shortly after we got out of school and got a brand new Vet out of it. Prob. money too! If you don't know, you'll never guess.
From:
Valerie Burton Appleton
() on Fri May 4 11:32:26 2001
Gee Whiz- you guys. Chill! before you slam "Beautiful" at least go see what he/she is talking about. Here's a link to the amazon page. I would think y'all would find this an entertaining read...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684818868/o/qid=989000870/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/107-3362757-7482925
From:
Kevin Smith
(1981) on Fri May 4 10:50:11 2001
Okay folks - new trivia question: Who was the teacher at SHS when we were there, who was purported to have posed for a picture in a popular men's magazine, wearing her birthday suit? Note, I said "purported to have" Name teacher and subject, or just subject - I don't want to give any rise to slander....
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Fri May 4 10:30:23 2001
PM, you PH?
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Fri May 4 09:08:03 2001
I would venture to say that this book that "beaut" speaks of is probably the work of some half baked and bitter historical revisionist. Demlib hyperbole and totally without substantiation in fact. The title speaks volumes for it. Beauty thinks this book is better, Kevin, because it was written by the same type of propagandist ultra-left head-in-the-sand individual that he/she is. Birds of a feather, you know. James, I know that you probably were not directing your comment regarding real names at me, but one need look no further than the 1984 directory to figure out who I am. Just in case you're curious.
From:
Kelly Carll Scott
(1980) on Fri May 4 07:49:12 2001
It's funny, but I don't remember at all where I was when Reagan got shot. I do remember vividly where I was when John Lennon was murdered. I guess that says a lot about who and what really mattered to me back then (as now). Or maybe it's just that Reagan wasn't killed, so it didn't register as deeply, shockingly, with me. Anybody else really affected by the death of a famous figure? Kurt Cobain, maybe?
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Thu May 3 23:59:29 2001
People I enjoy debate as much as the rest of us, I have just one problem. I wish that the ones interested in joining the topic of discussion please use your real name. I do not believe that anyone here would ridicule these persons? I would not! I believe in the open and honest dialogue between peers. This hit me that some among us are after hate for one but are not after honesty. This is all I have been, Asking honest questions and getting honest answers (from most). I have not been dishonest on this board but some have....Why??? I have (since HS) told those around me my honest opinions and what I believe, I am not one for being politically correct. I think the problem is that some of "US" are trying hard not to offend anyone we are afraid of what someone might think of us? I say to hell with them. Speak with honesty and integrity and you will EARN the respect of your fellow man (and you gals to)haha James
From:
Kevin Smith
(1981) on Thu May 3 20:43:16 2001
"Beautiful" - now who wrote the book "Lies my teacher told me"? Was it written by another historian and supports your view of things? Is it another conspiracy book that reveals who really killed JFK? or where Jimmy Hoffa is really buried? Probably written by a frustrated history major who couldn't find honest work...And how is that book "Lies my teacher told me" any better than other history books? I'm always open to reading alternative interpretations of history.
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Thu May 3 20:40:46 2001
Again people who refuse to leave their names while making comments. Well Beaut. I Always look for many resources and never took my teachers (in HS or college) word / ideas as the absolute truth. Please feel free to join the debate. But please use your real name. All I am trying to do is stir up some lively debate. James (see a name)
From:
Beautiful
() on Thu May 3 18:24:16 2001
Ah! public schooling at its best. James, do yourself a favor and start reading some books on American History. Not text books, real books. Here's one, "Lies my teacher told me."
Just a suggestion
From:
Kelly Carll Scott
(1980) on Thu May 3 17:55:18 2001
Richard Weeks, I remember you, too. It must have been my sophomore year, your freshman year that we met. Hard to believe that was 23 years ago. How are you doing? Very well, I hope.
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Thu May 3 15:28:38 2001
We never had a tomato uprising during my term at SHS. I would have rather enjoyed that....."Cry havoc....and let loose the flying tomatoes!"
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Thu May 3 12:27:47 2001
Kevin I cannot begin to tell what a great relief that is knowing that I can get back to the grind and not have to worry about that anymore. J Now class of 1981 if you are going to the reunion and plan to stay at the Crown Plaza in Redondo, may I suggest that you make your reservations soon. Bishop is having a reunion there that weekend also and the rooms are going quick. I just made mine. If you can’t remember where it is or have any questions you can ask our resident reunion committee member Valerie. The number to the Crown Plaza is 1-800-368-9760
From:
Kevin Smith
(1981) on Thu May 3 11:48:47 2001
Trivia Answer: The Surf Punks - they recorded "Cool Patrol" with Frazier Smith for his radio show...Sorry, RW - Hope you no longer have to spend valuable time thinking about the answer - :-)
From:
DClowns
(1982) on Thu May 3 10:52:40 2001
PW - Exactly... According to GLAD, and the other gay groups it IS FAR more heinous to kill someone because they're gay. Anyone notice how much press the Shepard case got, and how little the case of the 2 homos who sodomize, raped, and then murdered little Jesse Durkheiser received? That was OK. Hey, what about those freaks who are members of NAMBLA. In my world, they're rounded up, and executed. PEACE
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Thu May 3 10:40:51 2001
Where were you that fatal day in June 1980 when a handful of seniors gathered outside the cafeteria with boxes or bags full of tomatos? Moreover, do you remember who they were? I was inside eating my lunch when they came, those ruffian’s. But being the quick and speedy guy I was back then I ducked under the table, scampered along the floor, and made a diving leap onto the stage and took cover before the first tomato was thrown. What a food fight I saw from my place of cover, what a mess!
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Thu May 3 10:00:19 2001
Bravo, Valerie for speaking your mind. James I think that you finally touched on what it is that troubles those of us here who lean more towards the right; special rights for particular groups. It is a crime to commit murder, but somehow, these people would have us believe that it is somehow more heinous to kill someone because they are gay, or of a non-specified gender or ethnic group. You cannot make people equal through governmental edict or an act of legislation such as this. I beg to differ with the idea that it is not a choice to be gay. There are those who play both sides (bi), and those who are indiscriminately promiscuous.... whatever their gender preference is, and I would venture to say that this is a choice. As for whether it is right or wrong, that is up to God to decide, and not me. As long as they don't shove their lifestyle down my throat (or bombard my children my on television with the idea that homosexuality is "normal"), or try to take my tax dollars to pay for some fringe group expenditure, they will get no flack from me. They should not be persecuted for what they are or what they choose to be, but then, neither should the rest of us.
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Thu May 3 08:54:16 2001
Kevin that question sucks, cause I know the answer to it, it's on the tip of my tounge. Now i'm going to think about it all day.
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Thu May 3 08:47:41 2001
Now one more time people. I am not a hard right winger, I believe in freedom, period. This Country was founded on FREEDOMS and GOD given RIGHTS. Not rights given to us by the state. Kelly (you asked) Being a Republician is not bad. As a matter of fact I am more of a Libertarian, as for christian (Catholic) The founding Fathers were Christians. As for being Liberal I have one thing to say: Liberals See what they believe and Conservative Believe what they see. in other words "Actions speak louder than words". Ok Val, As for the whole Gay issue this is what I think: Being gay is fine with me, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs (agenda) on me and society as a whole. Like I said above this is America and all will be treated fairly, hopefully (Ideal situition). The problem I have is that most liberals want "Special" rights / Laws for these groups, and others and that is wrong. Enforce the existing laws. Period. Murder is still murder whether you are gay, black,asian, jew or not. Dead is dead. If we punished the bad guys like we should, we would not have murderers walking out in 7 years. (hey I found my soap box) Val, as for the gays "being" gay i reject this idea. It is a choice for them and us. Just a thought, maybe this is a form of rebellion for these people who cannot fit into the societal norm? And as for the gays having medicial benifits while not being married, that is for the "People" to decide. And the sex change operation business like you said Val, not with my dime. Hey I just ask the questions to stir up debate. If we stop asking questions then we become democrats (cheap shot I know) James
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Thu May 3 08:47:21 2001
Kelly (Carll) Scott, I remember you. Val, I think you have a wonderful point of view, however, I don’t think you really caught what I was saying. I didn’t say that I don’t love my fellow man, I do. In addition, I did not say I hated Gay people, I said I do not accept their life style. I don’t care what they do or where they do it, I just don’t want it shoved in my face and I won’t accept it as a way of life. I have acquaintances that are gay and I don’t say anything to them about it. As far as where I would stand in God’s eyes on that day of Judgment. Well if it were just God I would have a lot of explaining to do before he cast me out. It’s a good thing I don’t have to worry about that though, cause I’ll have Jesus interceding on my behalf. NO FOLKS, this isn’t Bible hour, I’m just talking to my friend VAL.
From:
Kevin Smith
(1981) on Thu May 3 08:23:02 2001
Okay Valerie, I'm here to rescue the debate - new subject: Anyone listen to Frazier Smith on KLOS back when we were at SHS? I used to like his show - wonder what ever happened to him. I know he bounced around a lot to other stations....Anyone know? His songs "Party Machine" and "Cool Patrol" were great - who was band that he did "Cool Patrol" with...(That's a new trivia question)
What great spirited debate on this site! Great to see different opinions and views done in a civil manner to one another - that's the true essence of the spirit of democracy - not that we all have to agree with each other's point of view, but that we can exchange differing views without fear of retribution or retaliation from local, State or Federal authorities. Bravo to all who chime in - James, you remind me of the patriot Samuel Adams - he was good at "stirring the pot" to help convince Americans to break with the English - he also has a pretty good beer named after him...
From:
Bill
(68) on Thu May 3 01:50:00 2001
I know I will always like Spartans (*_,*). You are all excellent Human Beings !!!!!!!! intelectually inspiring too.
and as Hank Willams Jr. ( Bocephous) rightously sings , and I'm with him All The Way " I really, really, really like GIRLS "
one of the best thing God ever did was GIRLS.....Yesssssssssssssss !
......... LIVE ALOHA .......
regards from Paradise
From:
Kelly (Carll) Scott
(1980) on Wed May 2 20:06:39 2001
Hey, there, Princess (aka Valerie)! Good to see you here defending your point of view.
Woah! I miss two months of SHS message time and will ya look at all the political hoopla. I'm one of those liberal tree-hugging gay-defending lotus eaters who get bored senseless by political debates, so I'm staying out of 'em. It's not a matter of cowardice, it's a matter of how you choose to spend your time. Whose minds are we really going to change, anyway? Am I really going to turn James away from his religious and personal beliefs about gays? (By the way, James, I'm not trying to single you out as a bad guy or anything; you and I just happen to have completely different views on a lot of things and you've been one of the most vocal here.) Is James going to make me see the light and become a Christian Republican? Don't think so!
When the topic comes around to food, travel or reminiscing, then we'll talk. Meanwhile, have fun with your political discussions. They're lively, I'll give 'em that.
From:
Valerie Burton-Appleton
(1981) on Wed May 2 18:31:50 2001
Richard, my darling old friend, I love you too, and I don't DRINK caffiene!! :) Tolerance and conforming are two different things. I certainly "tolerate" gay people, in fact I take no issue with them at all. I taught my children that acting on homosexuality is a sin, that doesn't mean, however, the a homosexual person is any worse than the guy that doesn't pay his taxes ("render to Ceasar what is Ceasars") or the the kid that yells at his parents ("Honor thy father and thy mother") "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", Rich. And the bible teaches us that with the exception of blasphemy, no one sin is worse than the other. You are right, we all need to strive to keep God's commandments, BUT unless we are sin free, we have no right to point fingers at other sinners. Certainly, I am not saying that we should embrace homosexuality as our lifestyle choice, not at all, but loving one another is what God told us to do. It's darn hard to love people you don't "accept". I love my homosexual friends the same as I love my other friends..flaws and all. It's for God to judge, not me. I figure when I get to Heaven the chance of God being angry with me for loving others is not too great. That doesn't mean you shouldn't talk to your gay friends about your feelings on homosexuality, I'd talk to my friends if they were stealing cars or cheating on their spouse too.. If you think they're putting themselves at risk, you speak up.. but acceptance is NOT wrong. What would you have them do, live their lives in fear? Hide from the world? Do other sinners do this? Why are homosexuals any different? That's just my take on things, and I do realize there are those out there who think I'M bigoted for thinking homosexuality is a sin at all. But I do, from a moral standpoint, still I can't comdemn them for something that hurts no one else. We'll all answer for our own sins, and I don't think the "rap sheet" on me will look better than anyone elses! :) Hugs- Lori
From:
Melissa Noble-Barron
(1980) on Wed May 2 17:58:32 2001
Denise- phone number for Creative Class Reunions is 1-800-700-6607. Glad to hear we are finally getting our memory books!
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Wed May 2 17:02:55 2001
Ok, my weirdest high school thing was coming to school the day after Laura L was murdered. It just didn’t seem quite right, like a part of our school was missing. She was a friend and I miss her. Ok, your weirdest day can be anything. Mine just happened to be sad.
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Wed May 2 16:54:28 2001
Ok, no more caffeine for Valerie!
It’s soapbox day at the old SHS message board.
Now Val, ya know I love ya but that is called tolerance and that & the ACLU is partly what is wrong with society today. If we continue to go down this path, as a society will be no better than Sodom & Gomorra and we all know what happened to them. As for the Ten Commandments, that is something we should all try to live by no matter what. Yes were all sinners, but that is no excuse not to try to keep them. Now homosexuality, I do not care to accept that type of life style and I won’t. That does not mean that I don’t love my fellow man. Well maybe every buddy but James. (Just kidding James. Just wanted to fit you into the conversation somewhere!) Homosexuality is Biblically wrong and that is what I am basing my decision on. I believe in God, not Darwin’s theory. Now if we have any Gay friends out there, I think you’ll agree that we all have the right to believe whatever it is we want to believe. It’s the path we chose to walk down. It doesn’t mean that people that disagree with your life style hate you, they just don’t care for your life style. I’m done now!
From:
Denise Rogers
(80) on Wed May 2 14:18:56 2001
Any one out there have a phone # to creative class reunions, I have moved since the reunion and want to give them my new address, thanks D
From:
Valerie Burton Appleton
(1981) on Wed May 2 14:07:16 2001
Well, here I am, weighing in..(sigh). While I do not believe that it is correct in God's eyes to act on homosexuality, I also do not believe for one stinkin' minute that gay people "chhose" to be gay. No way. Do you choose to prefer the opposite sex? Did you wake up one day and say "hmm... guys or girls? I think I'll take...guys... no girls! I'll like girls!!" Come ON guys! Given the hurdles that gays must jump to live in society, who would CHOOSE that? To be ridiculed, mocked, taunted.. for what? God gives us laws to obey, He says don't lie, don't steal, don't cheat. And yes, He says "Don't be gay" (Resisting urge to make South Park joke) but none of us ever keeps all of God's commandments. So Gay people don't obey that one.. well, let he who is without sin toss the first stone. Although I am VASTLY against sex change operations being funded with tax dollars, that's because it's elective surgery. Like a nose job. And noone funds those. But to tell a gay person that they can spend their entire life in a realtionship with someone, but can't add them to their insurance policy? That's wrong. Being gay might not be natural for you or I, James, but for many people it IS, and I know that I'm not perfect or smart enough to dictate to an entire group of people who they should love. And just because you "know" some gay people, Darling, neither are you. And I don't think we have any more choice to accept them, Richard, than we do people who have different colored skin, or blue eyes. It's not a matter or "accepting", they ARE gay, and while you certainly don't have to become gay, or believe that it's a sin free state, you have to accept, because it's just a fact.
Now, Perrius, my dear, you can see, I am hardly a chicken. :) I was just NOT into discussing whether Bob Kerry was right or wrong, and listening to everyone go on and on about a situation where there IS no right and wrong. I'll get off my soapbox now...! Hugs-Lori
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Wed May 2 13:18:27 2001
Marcy, good news for the grads of 1980. As for the HS thing in SF, Being Gay is not natural, we as humans have "Free Choice" and this is " A Choice". Like Wally George said "it is Adam & Eve Not Adam & Steve". We are all about Living with Nature and two guys or Gals is not Natural. I cannot believe that GOD or Nature (for those enviromentalists / Liberals) think that this is "Normal"..... By the way I do know some people who perfer the same sex.
James
From:
Marcy Lanning-Batza
(80) on Wed May 2 12:05:55 2001
Just wanted to update the Class of '80 on the memory book. I spoke to Wanda at Creative Class Reunions and the books are being printed now. She expects that we will receive them next week. The committee apologizes for the delay but it has been resolved. See you all in 2010.
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Wed May 2 11:54:57 2001
PM, excellent point on the accidents. How true! How true! Nevertheless, I just don’t get this sex thing. It’s not right. It’s hard enough with the gay population forcing us to except their way of life with legislation and parades and stuff. They even want us to consider them a minority, Geeez! Their gay by choice, how does that make you a minority. Don’t get me wrong, I have friends that are gay, I just don’t agree with their life style choice and I hope some day that they’ll snap out of it.
Sorry, had to vent that subject made me mad.
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Wed May 2 11:31:56 2001
Kudos on the list of 80's songs, Byron. It is a diverse and all-encompassing list, that brings back a lot of memories. I see that you even managed to get Weird Al Yankovich on there (123). I had to smile at that one. What about the quintessential KROQ / 80's signature song, though? "Get out' my way, i'm off to sell the world...eighties...livin' in the eighties...push, push, struggle"?
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Wed May 2 11:03:40 2001
I caught it on the news yesterday morning. I am not sure where the taxes will come from, but the disgusting fact is that TAXES are going to pay for it, period. If you get in an automobile accident, and your face is maimed horribly, or you lose a limb, plastic surgery or prosthetics to ease your suffering are not covered. If ya wanna jump genders, have at it, and the city will pay for it. I believe this is a benefit offered to city employess only. Valerie, Melissa .......chickens. Allright allright...if you don't wish to discuss volatile subjects, i'm game...just propose a new one.
From:
Karrie
(2000) on Wed May 2 10:28:04 2001
To A.J. and Brandon and all my friends who are leaving south this year, congrats, i miss you guys :)
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Wed May 2 09:35:14 2001
When is SF going to understand that it is not the job of Gov. to take care of the people. I guess SF is still trying to be that communist city that we all rejected a long tome ago. Public funding of sex change operations, Give me a break.
From:
() on Wed May 2 09:07:50 2001
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Wed May 2 09:04:07 2001
Ok ladies, new subject. What was the weirdest thing you remember about high school? Oh and BB putting the fake bomb in the library was already covered.
PM, That is ridiculous, is that city taxes that are going to pay for that? Cause I am not. Next thing they will want is to have babies.
From:
Melissa Noble-Barron
(1980) on Tue May 1 22:17:51 2001
Thank you, Valerie. I have been thinking the same thing myself.
From:
Valerie Burton-Appleton
(1981) on Tue May 1 20:10:18 2001
Richard, Kev: Will one of you "Come get me" when the conversation returns to less combustable, heavy subject matter? Y'all are entitled to discuss whatever you like, but I'm not interested in everyone's opinion on politics in general. So kisses and hugs to you guys- and we'll talk again soon. Lori
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Tue May 1 15:45:18 2001
P.S....Whadda you guys think of San Francisco's decision to fund sex change operations as a city health care benefit? Sheesh!
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Tue May 1 15:32:16 2001
Richard; Your comment made it sound as though you were admonishing the US Government for adhereing to the "rules of engagement", as set forth by the Geneva Convention regarding combat. If this was not your intent, then I retract the comment. I like Frosted Flakes, and not Corn Flakes, by the way.
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Tue May 1 13:25:14 2001
PM, who pissed in your corn flakes? Never E E EEVER did I say anything about rapping, pillaging, or plundering or anything about slaughtering everything in sight? Maybe I did not take extra say eight or nine paragraphs to spell it out so that you would understand it better. People have some sort of value system, whether or not it is the same one we share or not. I am simply saying, if your going to WAR do it right. What is your objective, and go get it. A good example is Desert Strom, we rolled right trough the enemy and did not stop tell we got to our objective. Which I think should have been a little bolder.
I never said or men and women have not performed to the highest standards. And I do agree that are men and women are the greatest fighting force alive as a whole.
From:
Perrius Maximus
(1984) on Tue May 1 12:05:30 2001
Vietnam Schmietnam! This conflict was a tragic waste of American lives. If you really want to fault someone for this debacle, then you should place the blame where it belongs; with the French. The fact is, France was urged to stay out of "French Indochina" after WW2, by America and England. Their presence as a governing body was not welcome there anymore (would you want to be run by a socialist government?), and they knew it. The US was asked by the locals to assist in getting the French out of there when the conflict began, but instead the US government chose to assist France for some reason. Combining snootiness, bad hygene and the unfortunate tendency to capitulate at the first sign of serious combat operations, the French quit when the situation got too hot, and left it to the Americans. Would any other President have acted differently? I would like to think so. In regards to the soldiers who sacrificed everything to do what their country asked of them, may God bless each and every one. As for the bra-burning, flower power hippy pop culture maggots who spat upon these people upon their return home, I hope that there is an extra special place in hell for you to spend eternity in. Bill; I could not have said it better myself in regards to the business opportunites and education loans offered to those people after the war. Richard; I beg to differ with you when it comes to adhereing to some sort of "rules of engagement" in combat. There is a difference between invading like the Mongols, slaughtering everything in sight, and going in to remove the military threat. Morals should not get set aside simply because there is fighting going on. It isn't an excuse to rape, pillage and plunder. For the most part, the various branches of the US military have performed to the highest standards, and are among the greatest fighting units ever assembled. James; if our children do not know what Memorial day is all about, than the only people we have to blame is ourselves. I have taken my son and daughter to numerous airshows and military bases and explained what their existance symbolizes. They see their grandfather's and great grandfather's medals and citations displayed proudly upon the walls in our home. They know what it means when I fly that flag out in front of the house.
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Tue May 1 08:31:25 2001
Bill, I never thought that you did. Kids today do not even remember what Memorial Day is all about. Just like Easter it is not about shopping and a three day weekend It is a time to reflect and thank ALL of the people (living and dead) who have served and protected these United States. As always put your flag out and say a prayer.
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Tue May 1 08:07:18 2001
Well-said Bill! Our solders got none or very little respect when they came home. I for one honor their memory and am truly proud of what they did. War is war; you do not make excuses for what happed during it. What you do is HONOR the men and women that were there for their sacrifice. Without their efforts, this country would not be what it is and we would not be typing messages back and forth on this web page. To all parents, teach your kids to HONOR & RESPECT those who choose to serve and those who served at a time when we required them to.
From:
Richard Weeks
(1981) on Tue May 1 07:55:49 2001
Kevin, that is the one. (You have to remember this was like sometime between 5th & 6th grade.) We used to make torches and other flammable devices and go walking around the golf course at night. There was a big eight-foot drainpipe back by the lake and the challenge was to see how could go the farthest down the tunnel, as we liked to call it. We never really got vary far.
One time and I do not know if Stefan will remember this. We were shooting bottle rockets off our deck over the golf course and the golfers thought we were shooting at them. The sheriff cars came out to the hole and everything.
From:
Bill
(68) on Tue May 1 02:08:09 2001
Pain is your friend when what you learned after the Spartan alma mater was to walk proud with other Spartans through the valley of death and having to be the badest mother *** in the valley to have walked out of the valley alive in the aftermath of saluting your friends like Ted Weymouth , whose picture is full page in memorial in the class of 68 annual, and come back to a country that treated you like pondscum for having put it all on the line for life , liberty , freedom and the ability of the children that you saw upon return to be able to go to high school and have fond memories of it all......didn't mean to jump on your *** James. Honor is true earned honor for those whose names are on " The Wall " after they did not survive the blood and valor that defined bravery,integrity,pride of country , and the balls to sacrifice everything for a way of life that still lives from one coast of the United States to the other. Semper Fi Ted Weymouth , who died proud, Semper Fi ...you will always be my brother , you will always be a Spartan
From:
Kevin Smith
(1981) on Mon Apr 30 20:51:24 2001
Richard, I just caught your comment about sneaking on the golf course - which one was it - the one near Alta Loma park at top of Crest Road (Torrance)? Me and my buddies used to frequent that park on Friday nights, after dark, until guard dogs chased us off one night....
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Mon Apr 30 12:17:29 2001
Bravo RW. The one thing that our military does is play by the "rules". Look at the persian Gulf war, Iraq was not to gentle with our guys and not with our women either. If we are going to WAR then we have to go to win. We should have kick Sadam ass out at all costs. Then claim Iraq as a territory of the USA.
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Richard Weeks
(1981) on Mon Apr 30 10:18:30 2001
Gota admit this topic is getting interesting. We consider ourselves the most civilized country in the world. We really are the only first world country around, some my argue this point but think about it. Really! So saying that, it should be said that our government feels the need to establish ground rules for war because were above fighting unfair or like everyone else. Rules of engagement if you will.
WELL GET WITH IT GOV., when was the last time you saw another country or any war for that matter where the two sides fought by our standards or rules of engagement? It is war, not a skirmish, not chess, not a boxing match, WAR!
Next time you send our great men and women out to fight some war we probably do not even belong in, let them do the job they were trained for! Do not stop them until they have achieved the objective. You might find you had less casualties and the job gets done quicker.
Enough said!
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Kevin Smith
(1981) on Mon Apr 30 09:45:50 2001
Vietnam - It's easy to say what a tragic mistake it was for the U.S. to get involved in that war. But to look back in the context in which we fought that war - Korea, the Cold War, WWII and the events that led up to our involvement, it's difficult to say whether ANY President would have acted differently than LBJ - No one knows whether Kennedy would have stopped the build up or not, yet the adivsors that pursueded (spelling?) LBJ in increase soldiers to Vietnam were many of the same ones who were advising Kennedy. These people, the survivors, today, are the one's who "tied the hands of the soldiers" as you said James, but to add insult to injury to all the brave soldiers who "could have said No" and not gone, like former Prez Klinton, instead went and did their job to the best of their ability, today, those surviving advisors are reaping $$$ from the sale of books in which they apologize for making those decisions - what they forget to tell the American People is that while those decisions were being made, there were Devil's advocates on LBJ's staff that were ignored. The way this country treated its soldiers who fought in Vietnam, too, was tragic. War is hell and any attempt to glorify the killing and atrocities is a fabrication from Hollywood to make money.
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Kevin Smith
(1981) on Mon Apr 30 09:39:46 2001
Where was I when Reagan was shot? Lor -I had just stopped by John Maxwell's and he came out on the balcony and told me he'd been shot....
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Ray McEwan
(1974) on Mon Apr 30 08:47:30 2001
Just a quick message to say hi...
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Ray McEwan
(1974) on Mon Apr 30 08:47:31 2001
Just a quick message to say hi...
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James Kalinski
(1980) on Mon Apr 30 08:26:19 2001
Bill, I just raised a question. I believe that Kerry was doing his job to the best of his abilities with the training given. I believe that in Viet Nam our soliders hands were tied by the politicians. I have the utmost respect for all of our service men & women. These fine people (our best) are doing a job that is difficult at best. Although I may not agree with Kerry's positions I due respect him for going over there and fighting a war that form the get-go we had no chance of winning. We all owe these soliders for our freedoms that we enjoy today that most take for granted. My Grandfather came over from Poland at the turn of the century and fought in WWI and was gassed and could never breathe right since but he never complained never asked for anything from the government he was just glad that he was an American. James
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Richard Weeks
(1981) on Mon Apr 30 08:19:59 2001
Bill, I feel your pain. I have a brother that was in the army back then. Fortunately for us, he was stationed in the US. Thank God, nothing happened to him. As far as James though it sounded to me like he was just asking if anyone had any opinions on the topic, he made no statement. Sounded like you were jumping his sh$%!
Sorry you lost friends!
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Bill
(68) on Sun Apr 29 21:52:43 2001
55,000 U.S. Soldiers died in Viet Nam. South High Soldiers died in Viet Nam , guys who never made it to this web site , because of the situations and circumstances they died in , those circumstances many times were these " innocent little villages ". I went to the funerals of many of my classmates from South High who came back from Viet Nam in pine boxes, never to surf or party again.
Kerry probably saved other guys possibly even South High Alumni from the Viet Cong villagers , who would always hide/protect/insulate/and kill for the Viet Cong. Give Kerry the Congressional Medal of Honor to wear along side his Bronze Star. Let him forever have a loaded gun handy to protect his loved ones and those around him from those who would do them harm, and let God sort out the villagers. I had one friend who died with a suicide bomb from a 7 year old and some who died in villages where women acted like they were in need of help. Look into the particulars of the Tet Offensive and the ask yourself about Kerry ....James Kalinski......Kerry was fighting for U.S.interests and the American way when you were a few years out of diapers. They did not get called " Gooks " for nothing. You may feel that this is harsh but some of us are still alive..... and a higher number of my friends are not alive today than the number that are being moaned about with Kerry's incident. Look up the pictures of the hundreds of human skulls stacked up as trophies by the Kymer Rouge , and see if there is as much pissing and moaning about them and if the Vietnamese are trying to rectify that situation.....I think not. The Viet Cong consisted of men ,women ,and children and they would have just as soon kill you as look at you. Unless you've looked that death in the eye , don't even hope to judge Kerry . The Vietnamese people in many respects had a hand full of gimmie and a mouth full of much obliged , and some of those in charge were some of the most ungrateful people walking the face of the earth. Except of course South Vietnamese Generals ,who ended up in the U.S. owning a Holiday Inn or other fine business entities , or others who got that 2 1/2 % government loan that you cannot get as a U.S. citizen in order to open a Vietnamese business here and become wealthy enough to sponsor a woman or child villager to move to the U.S and also get a 2 1/2 % government loan that again you cannot get , so that they could buy your local liquior store and sell you a 6 - pak and say " this Bud's for you "
Semper Fi
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trivia
(80) on Sun Apr 29 16:40:15 2001
Just a little trivia to pass along. If you saw the movie American Beauty did the high school scenes look familiar? Yep, filmed at South High!
From:
Brian Kane
(1981) on Sun Apr 29 13:00:55 2001
I am know gay
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john dalton
(1982) on Sun Apr 29 12:15:38 2001
see ? that should be "high school locked"..... must be a freudian slip.
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john dalton
(1982) on Sun Apr 29 12:13:06 2001
Sorry Valerie - about the order, spent much of high locked in the past with a bon... with a water pipe and am not that familiar with the contempory tunes of the time. And no i'm not related to Robin, in fact I don't know her, but David ('80) is my brother, elizabeth ('77?) is my sister and Katherine (GED) is my other sister. well gotta go now it's my sons birthday, he's 15 today. He's counting down the days to when he can drive.
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Amanda Jefferson
() on Sun Apr 29 06:27:13 2001
My bad He needs a GF not a BF I got that mixed up my bad....lol.See ya
From:
Amanda Jefferson
() on Sun Apr 29 06:15:15 2001
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From:
Amanda Jefferson
() on Sun Apr 29 06:15:06 2001
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Bret Barham
(1981 kinda) on Sat Apr 28 10:19:12 2001
Just the bomber saying hello. AHH! the things we remember from high school. Yes I'm still around and not incarcerated! I hope everyone is well. Life has been good the last 20 years. Wife 2 kids. Im even a law and order Republican. Gotta keep those high school kids in check. I,ve been lucky my kids are better behaved than I was. Much to the chagrin of my mother who was hoping for some payback.
Bret
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Valerie Burton Appleton
(1981) on Sat Apr 28 05:46:58 2001
BTW, I was grinning when I wrote that...
From:
Valerie Burton-Appleton
(1981) on Sat Apr 28 05:45:58 2001
Those are all out of order! We need someone to take #9, #11 #13, #14 and #15.
John, are you related to Robin?
And I was sitting at my boyfriends (on Newton St) on the living room floor, changing his nephew's diaper, when Reagan got shot. Such an auspicious memory..
From:
James Kalinski
(1980) on Sat Apr 28 05:36:12 2001
What about Kerry and the killing of civilians in Vietnam?
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john dalton
(1982) on Fri Apr 27 20:34:49 2001
where were you when president reagan was shot?
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john dalton
(1982) on Fri Apr 27 20:31:21 2001
10 sunday bloody sunday u2
12 angel in the centerfold -j geils band
45 boys of summer don henley
154 i cant drive 55 sammy hagar
216 ebony and ivory paul mccartny and stevie wonder???
since there doesn't seem to be too much participation from '82 i had to jump in a little. and james i totally agree take the mystery away and teach respect
for firearms.
