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From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Fri May 11 11:26:14 2001
Catsup Is Perfect With Meat? Caught Importing Pretty White Marigolds? Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
From: RICH (1981) on Fri May 11 10:13:37 2001
NAME THIS SONG? CIPWM, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CIPWM MEANS.
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Fri May 11 09:51:04 2001
I am sure that no-one will be surprised at me having to put in my two cents. This isn't the first time that i've been accused of having a big mouth, or talking too much. I agree with the assesment that the board is working fine, James. The idea that one individual's posting is somehow more important than any other's borders on hypocrasy, and the idea that this site is not being used in the correct context is a nihilistic view. I dunno...perhaps i'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, but my take on this message board is that it is a place where former alumni of all ages can talk, share ideas, thoughts, and perhaps get to know (in a cyber sort of way) individuals that they never had the priveledge of knowing when they attended this great academic institution. Not one of my classmates makes an appearance out here, but perhaps that will change in time. Maybe it would be better if we all shut up and let the site go back to what it was before; the occasional and sporadic entry of "South SUX....North RULES!"
From: Richie Rich (1981) on Fri May 11 08:59:00 2001
You guys weren't looking for easy questions were you?
From: Richard (1981) on Fri May 11 08:51:21 2001
Trivia: What is the name the group & song that this lyric is from? To much time on my hands, I got you on my mind. Can’t ease this pain, so easily.
From: Kelly (Carll ) Scott (1980) on Fri May 11 07:36:39 2001
Both arguments about this site have valid points, I think. Some wish that the core group of posters (and you know who you are!) would just go somewhere else and leave this site for alumni wanting to drop in and leave brief notes for others. The core group is having way too much fun, meanwhile, to give it up, and besides, they think they've livened up what was once (let's face it) a pretty quiet site. What to do? If we try really hard not to let this argument slip into personal attacks, I'll bet we can figure out a reasonable answer. E-mailing each other doesn't work because part of the fun of this board is posting something into space and seeing what responses you get. You're always hoping to rile up some new visitor and suck them into a lively debate. On the other hand, the few people who leave one-line messages do get lost in all the stuff left by the core group. Those short messages quickly get shipped to the "older messages" page. How hard would it be, Byon, to add another message page to this site? It could be called, "The Debate Club" or something, and it would be for anyone who wanted to join in. Peacemaker, you've come up with the ideal suggestion.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Thu May 10 21:23:30 2001
Pam, great to hear from you. No & Yes. #1 is a group from Scandinavia called TNT, good band never really had a chance though. And #2 I’m pretty sure it was here. If not sorry CB. God I love this stuff, what controversy. Ye ha! Peace, Love & and a bowl of corn flakes, darn I gave it away. See Ya soon AKA Peacemaker. Don’t tell me James you didn’t figure that one out.
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Thu May 10 17:47:48 2001
Hey brother John, what do you think about all conversation? For me, I enjoy coming to this site. I look forward to seeing new names and I also like keeping up with the many opinions that are posted here. Trivia is alot of fun and breaks up the "heaviness" of some of the topics being discussed. And I'm pretty sure no one is trying to be "heavy" ;) The topic of website conversational content has touched the consciences of many-o-Spartan, as do politics, past careers, and child-rearing techniques. Everyone should stay and keep keeping in touch. THAT JUST COST EVERYONE TWO CENTS!! :) Dave
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Thu May 10 17:37:40 2001
Oh... heheheh... I do know how to spell "news". Oops!! :D
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Thu May 10 17:36:13 2001
Richard.. Cammie who went to Walteria with us??? Ha Ha! And where the heck did all these people with problems regarding what is posted suddenly come from? Noone was chatting here AT ALL until these crazy discussions started.. so what's the problem? You want a message you wrote a month ao to still be sitting there viewable? Write it in your bio! What Byon said is this is a place for reading and writing to fellow alumnists. Kathy says: "a message board should be open to everyone to post messages not a continous dialog." Where exactly did you get THAT idea? We ARE posting mesages and discussing many different topics! And I don't see any problems with anyone being unable to post, you certainly managed! Why on earth should WE email eachother, and not you and your friends? Because you don't want to read our posts? So don't read em, Kiddo! You said this site was working fine.. I have knews for you.. it still is! We are doing just what we're supposed to.. having a discussion with other alumnists from SHS..
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Thu May 10 16:51:39 2001
Shirley, is Hillary behind this??
From: Shirley () on Thu May 10 16:41:09 2001
I really don't care what happens here on this board. I was just making a suggestion. And yes James, it is a conspiracy.
From: Pam (Lawson) Horton (1981) on Thu May 10 16:27:57 2001
Hi Richard! Just checked out this website for the first time in ages and wow...what activity. I think I know the answers to two of your questions. #1 Def Lepard and #2 Camilla (I too do not want to falsely accuse anyone!) and I will leave the last name blank for that reason. Hope all are smiling and well.
From: Peacemaker () on Thu May 10 16:24:08 2001
Shirley, point taken. But if I may ask why is it so important for the few of you that have brought this to the table and seem to want the board the way they think it should be. To ask ten or twelve others who post here regularly to move somewhere else? I repeat this again, If Byon the great creator of this site intended it to be for all SHS alumni then why can't an addition, let me repeat that an addition be made to the site so that those who want to post one way can and the others that want a continual dialog with thier peers and freinds can post another way. I think you all have good points, but isn't this a place for people to reconnect, reflect, rebuild relationships, etc.? Peace, Love and a bowl of corn flakes.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Thu May 10 16:16:05 2001
Do I sense a conspiracy???
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Thu May 10 16:09:03 2001
In my opinion (what else did you expect) this board is working fine. Like it was said before this board is a living, breathing entity. Posts here can be answered by anyone visiting. Questions about looking for someone to rekindle an old friendship maybe someone here may have information that can help. As for e-mailing the discussions on the hot topics of the day it would lose their impact. The good thing about this board, as opposed to the one at classmates.com, is that is is on going and changing. The SHS site at classmates was a good place but it is nothing more than a place for the grads of the 60's to communicate. Dont't get me wrong I think it is good, but this site seems to like dialogue and opinions. That is all. James
From: Shirley (74) on Thu May 10 15:55:12 2001
There is always yahoo e-groups where you can start a loop and the 3 or 4 of you who want to talk constantly about those Demlibs or how to raise those kiddies can post like crazy and everyone that is subscribed to the loop gets the emails. You can call it South High Chit Chat!
From: Peace Maker () on Thu May 10 15:03:12 2001
Kathy, thank you for your response. Yes recently the board has seemed to take on a different life but I don't think it's incorrect. I ask you, when you post a message here what are you hoping for? Could it be that you would like a reply or would like to know something you were curious about or maybe just adding to a comment that someone else has posted? I think your wrong about Byon adding to this,I think most things of this nature are living not static. Some things need to change in order to accomidate all those who wish to use it. An addition to this site would benifit all parties. You seem to want it the way you think it should be and the others should go elsewhere. Aren't we all SHS alumni here and have the same right s as each other? Oh great and mighty Byon what is your take on this, what did you intend this site to be?
From: Peace Maker () on Thu May 10 14:53:12 2001
I'll ask you the same question, what do you think a message board should be? Your comment about important posts are getting lost, explain what youthink an important post is. I've looked back at this board and it seems to me that all these messages are important to the people that post them. Not everyone is going to agree about everything. It's a good lesson to learn at your age.
From: Kathy Conaway (1983) on Thu May 10 14:51:34 2001
Peacemaker a message board should be open to everyone to post messages not a continous dialog. Zack hit it on the head they should email each other. I'm sure that everyone would not want to read my personal emails to friends. I don't think Byon should do anything different this was working just fine until it became monopolized.
From: Zack (2k) on Thu May 10 14:37:37 2001
I believe this site has lost it's original meaning.... how about you guys exchange EMAIL addresses and debate privatly because all of the important posts are getting lost among the meaningless arguments. Anyone that knows me EMAIL me peaS
From: Peace Maker (You know) on Thu May 10 13:31:37 2001
Oh great and mighty Byon is there some sort of addition to this site that you can add so that we can please both groups of people. Say one place for people that want to have a continual dialog and one for those that only wish to post every now and then. We apparently have two camps; it seems better to me to try to work out a solution rather than upsetting my fellow SHS alumni. Is there something you could come up with? KC, what do you think a message board should be?
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Thu May 10 13:16:40 2001
KDC, Yes, I remember that restaurant well. I used to work right next to it - at "The Thinnery" - a diet ice cream/food store. On several occasions, Ann used to come over to make change or buy change from us and us them. It was a tragic shame what happened to her. Hope Stefan and rest of family are doing well...
From: Kathy Conaway (1983) on Thu May 10 12:43:24 2001
Scott yes you are right its great to see Chris Donnels on the Dodgers. He has played numerous positions for the team. He was in the class of 1984 and still looks darn good. Go Chris!!! I have to agree if the same people are going to post their email messages on this board they are recking it!
From: KDC (1982) on Thu May 10 11:43:43 2001
Speaking of Stefan Elming - anyone ever eat at his dad's restaurant - it was called "Swedish Corner Smorgasbord" - it was in the shopping center on Crenshaw & PCH - great food, good people, it was a shame what happened to poor Ann. PEACE
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Thu May 10 11:04:10 2001
PM, nope & nope. The key word in clue number 2 is heritage. Which mignt be tuff for you cause I think you weren't at SHS in 81 were you. PM e-mail me and I'll give you that clue. Anyone got any guesses on the penthouse pet yet.
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Thu May 10 10:48:32 2001
Richard...it's not Hammerfall is it? I managed to find a person by the same name (Stefan Elming) on the SHS re-union register for 80 or 81, so i'll venture to guess that this vocalist heralds from So. Cal?
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Thu May 10 09:54:28 2001
I will do my best to make the chat room a week from this sunday. A myriad of never ending home improvement projects seems to occupy my weekends of late. If I can keep from getting sunstroke in the Southern Nevada heat i'll be there.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Thu May 10 09:49:46 2001
Trivia Question: Which mid 80’s to mid 90’s hair band/metal band professed to have an American singer with a five octave vocal range? Clue # 1: Although the band made the top 25 on most American & European music charts they were not from the United States. Clue # 2: This person’s heritage is a clue to the geographical area that the band originated from. (Stefan Elming)
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Thu May 10 08:03:40 2001
Ok boys & girls let’s all try and hook up in the chat room next Sunday, (5/20/01) not this Sunday because it’s mothers day and I’m not going down the I forgot mothers day road again. Question, some of you are in different time zones, is there a better time for you? I think the appointed time is 7 pm PST. We can ask Byon to work something out for us if we need to. Ok, since no one tried to guess my trivia question on the who did what in a magazine? Here are a couple of more clues. Disclaimer: I am 99% sure it was the person I am thinking of, but on the chance it is not. I apologize in advance for tarnishing your good name & reputation. Takes care of that! Clue# 1, her initials are CB. Clue# 2, first name sounds similar to a reptile that changes color. Any guesses? Oh and the last name was changed in the magazine to protect her image or something. Artistic license I guess.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Wed May 9 22:13:54 2001
RW, chat on sunday sounds interesting. I would be there just name the time.
From: Nancy Delancy (0 a.d) on Wed May 9 21:46:06 2001
Hello young'ins, my name is nancy delancy and i've been teaching pe ever since jesus was born. As a matter of fact he failed my class. I think i'm having my 26th heart attack. Bye everyone
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Wed May 9 18:16:49 2001
Rich, I've tried, but the two times I've been in on Sunday, the designated day, no one else is in there...
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Wed May 9 17:46:54 2001
Val, your killing me. I can't take the suspense. How’d you like my little joke. Hehehehehe!
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Wed May 9 17:30:38 2001
Does anyone ever use the chat room on Sundays?
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Wed May 9 16:14:44 2001
Ok you guys give Bill a chance. This is what "our" schools are producing these days, so we have to coddle him, help him get a job (at mickey D's) at a wage so he can make a living and support a family,I think the DemLib's want (what?) 40-50k a year for a hamburger flipper? Then make sure he can waste all his income on buying toys, then we have to make sure that there is enough money in SS so he can eat dog meat in his older years. That is after he stops working and the age of (what will it be then?) 87.9 years. But if he dies before, the DemLib's will just keep him on the job to keep paying the SS & Medicare so they will give him a Government job til he reaches 87.9 years then he is allowed to die, with a Gov pension going to his cat. Then they will proclaim that we are not doing enough. (HA HA) I just had to say something. This was too easy to pass up. James
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Wed May 9 16:03:30 2001
Six foot seven, Val....sheesh! Get that kid on the b-ball team...what's he doing messing around in soccer?!? My son will have the same issues to face. He is 4 (almost 5) years old and already he towers over every 6 and 7 year old boy in the neighborhood. As for what he eats...his favorite foods are "kablamma's" (bannanas) and "Yucky Charms"(you figure it out)...in his own words. I cannot say for certain whether or not these foods contribute to his off-the-chart growth.
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Wed May 9 15:32:31 2001
Really, Bill! Go to school! You have GOT to learn how many asterisks to use when you DON'T type a cussword. For instance, you wrote "Holy *** this is pathetic" Holy WHAT? Holy CAT? Holy Bag? Holy Moo? I mean, really, Bill.. sh-t has FOUR letters. You meant "Holy **** this is pathetic" Geeze. Kids today... (wink)
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Wed May 9 14:27:57 2001
Question, that was a good Question...
From: Question () on Wed May 9 13:12:31 2001
Bill, Why aren't you in school?
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Wed May 9 12:56:48 2001
Guys...Bill claims to be class of 2001. Which makes him, what? 17? 18? Makes sense now, doesn't it?? hehehh
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Wed May 9 10:53:06 2001
Mr. Brasky, I don’t know if you’ve been lurking and watching the topics and chats for a while now or not. However, not once has any of us taken a personal shot at anyone nor have we insulted each other unless it was in jest. As for wasting or lives in this chat room, bite me! You obviously don’t see its value. Did it ever occur to you that people don’t live in the same area, or maybe lost touch with each other? In some cases, this is the only way some people can keep in touch. By the way, please watch the potty mouth. And no this isn’t an invitation to sling verbal insults back and forth with you.
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Wed May 9 10:40:44 2001
Hi Bill. We'll ignore your obvious attempt at being inflammatory. All of us here "have something down". We aren't holding on to memories here, either...we're making new ones... every day. Stop being a wretch, get out there and carve out a niche for yourself in the world, lad.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Wed May 9 10:38:21 2001
kev, 1982
From: Bill brasky (2001) on Wed May 9 10:26:55 2001
What the hell is this ***? Who are these people and what the *** are they doing wasting their lives on a chat room from their high school's webiste? Stop trying to hold on to old memories and get something down. Holy *** this is pathetic
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Wed May 9 09:57:07 2001
Perry, I am laughing at you soccer comment.. I can relate. My son Michael is 6 foot 7 inches tall and the goalie for his soccer team. Two of the kids actually asked me in I would write down what he eats so they can try eating it too! Hahahah! He looks HUGE compared to the rest of that team..
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Wed May 9 09:45:16 2001
Rich, I don't recall that name. I went to Edison Elementary, then Magruder Middle School, then to North for first two years. Did she graduate in 1981?
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Wed May 9 09:15:09 2001
Volleyball was the sport of choice during my years at SHS. To bad we never had a sand pit. It's really the only way to play the game. I tried out for the soccer team, but it just wasn't my sport. I felt like a giant out there. Some more categories to consider; (1) Those encumbered by controlled substances (2) The Le Tigre and Sperry Topsider crowd (3) The athletically challenged (4) The Bleacher Rats (you know who you are!) (5) The birth control glasses and pocket protector club.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Wed May 9 08:59:43 2001
James, did you run track all four years? If so, I've lost it. I can't remember.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Wed May 9 08:25:22 2001
Kev, you remember a girl named Lisa Maanum? That's the wife.
From: Kevin Smith () on Tue May 8 20:08:09 2001
Rich, I went to North, too, and would have graduated had my parents not divorced - thus finishing my last two years at South - I'm kinda torn with sports loyalties, too....
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Tue May 8 19:11:01 2001
Kevin, you mean South won a Football game? I did know that we won in 80. The only thing we were good at during my tenure (76-80) was soccer and baseball, plus my sport X-Country and track. ha
From: Rich (1981) on Tue May 8 18:10:40 2001
Kev, we don't talk about North & South stuff at my house. The wife went to North and I have to nice about it.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 8 18:08:10 2001
Wait just a minute here Val. We were supposed to be sober. No one gave me that memo.
From: Valerie burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 8 17:16:37 2001
Oh- i lived near the corner of Newton and Tandem in Newton Towers, Rich.
From: valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 8 17:15:35 2001
O.K...Richard, I emailed you, but I don't mind if you post the answers here. Here are my guesses for categories I made it into: 1) People who needed frequent haircuts. 2) Stockholder in The Clearasil Company 3) Most likely to be sober 4) Person with good looking friends. 5) Least likely to be taken to prom. How'd I do??? xoxoox Lori
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 8 16:39:50 2001
Any one out there have any post 1984 SHS stories? We've got pretty much 1976 thru 1984 covered.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 8 16:33:29 2001
PM, weren’t they the oldest existing pair known? Way back when Levi Struse first started? Val, ok it wasn’t Joey and I thought you lived on Newton? Ok here it is and this is no lie, your not even going to believe me. I used to show people my yearbook, haven’t done it in awhile. I’d play this little game of guess the popular people or who was hot and who was not. I’d sit back and let them thumb there way thru the book looking at this picture and looking at that picture and then they’d tell me their choices. Guess who’s picture was picked, a lot? Hmmmmmmmm. Yup you got it, yours. (Suspense, Suspense, Suspense) e-mail me and I’ll tell you which category(s) you were picked in. That’s one of the reasons I remembered you so fast. There are many more!
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Tue May 8 16:20:45 2001
Okay, Okay, already, since you're all so anxious about football scores, the 1980 North v. South was won by South High, 28-0, enroute to playoffs. The following year, I believe the score was the same, except reversed as North made it to playoffs....just in case anyone was interest...Next subject?
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 8 16:01:05 2001
Oh, okay...i'll choke up with the answer. Some guys were wandering around in an old abandoned mine shaft (an extremely intelligent activity to engage in....not) and stumbled across an old pair of pants. They brought them out into the light (they obviously survived their little subterranean excursion...many abandoned mine shaft explorer's do not) and they decided that said pants were somewhat unusual, but in remarkably good condition. They then took them to a local dealer of antiquities, who promptly paid them 5000 dollars for them. A local auction house got wind of the pants and purchased them for 10,000 dollars. Levi Struass heard about them and bought them for 20,000 dollars, and placed them on display in their headquarters. I turns out they were original equipment Levi Struass Jeans circa 1880's
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Tue May 8 15:50:46 2001
PerMax - James Dean's Levi's?
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 8 15:43:36 2001
Kelly: I love you bunches, no matter what I say that's "nice" about you, it still won't do you justice. :) Richard: You lived on Tandem at some point? I remember you VERY clearly from Walteria. I'll forget within the next 9 weeks that I'm supposed to find out why you remember me. So tell me! Maybe you'd better send me an email?? hehehe Here I am thinking it's something interesting and I KNOW you're gonna say "I remember you because I had a huge crush on Joey Satery and you guys were good friends..." or something like that. We had some lame class together at SHS.. I'd better go look in my yearbooks now to see if you wrote anything about why you remember me...hmm..... I'll guess.. were they Elvis's levis?
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 8 15:32:52 2001
Dave; The Levi's in question were older than that.
From: Scott Holcombe (80) on Tue May 8 14:02:26 2001
Hey, has anybody checked out who is on the Dodgers roster this year. None other than Chris Donnels from I think the class of 84.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 8 12:38:05 2001
Ok, I’m in trouble now! I wrote you a letter, Kelly. Wow, I must really be missing some brain cells not to remember that. I hope it was a good letter. You can e-mail me back if you want with the answer to that one. Kelly, you remember the night we all went down to the beach and the police grabbed John, Brad & I and held us for awhile because Brad supposedly looked like some guy that just robbed a store or something? I think you where there. Val, did you know that you and I lived on the same street for a while. You know I can’t find my annual so from time to time if I ask you something strange it’s because I’m trying to put a face with the name. Kelly, & Val excluded, I remember Kelly and Val has her pictures pasted on the other page. Nevertheless, I remembered you anyway Val. I’ll tell you why at the reunion. James, did we have any classes together? I know the name but can’t place a face with it. Hey check this out, it’s summer and they have a couple of major power generating plants off line. Ha! More rolling blacks, what a shock. Oh and the want to raise the price of gas, I guess five billion in profits last year wasn’t enough. PM thanks for the support.
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Tue May 8 12:10:25 2001
No, no, no. I'm not mad at all. I just wish other people in classes from, say, 2000 or 1964 would participate the way it seems the folks from the '80s have been. I'd love to know what South is like for those of you attending now. Or what it was like 30 years ago. We don't have to have full-blown political debates. As I said, when I see my name too much on this site, it's time to give the old blowhard in me a rest. Must have been some kind of hubris meter that went off. I respect that others enjoy posting a lot. I enjoy reading those posts. But for those who prefer lurking, what would it take to make this a more visitor-friendly site? P.S. Thank you Val, RW and PM for the nice things you said. Richard, you may not believe this, but I still have a letter you wrote me the year we met.
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Tue May 8 12:08:56 2001
P M Were those Levi's being worn by John Lennon the night he was killed?
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 8 10:52:05 2001
Well said, Richard. I may disagree with you Kelly (vehemently on some issues) but it is refreshing to get a view from another perspective. Don't get mad and leave. This isn't a political "smackdown" arena...it's just a forum for ideas.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 8 10:19:41 2001
(Enough) we respect your right to post whatever it is you want on this site. We do not sit in judgment over you or anyone else here. Nevertheless, looking back this site was dogging before we started stimulating the conversation. It’s great sending messages back and forth with people I really never took the time to get to know. I wish I had taken the time back then, because these are great people and I think they have enriched my life since I started posting here. I have to say that I did get to know Kelly, she was the best. A good friend! She was one of the first people that I met at SHS. Anyway, back to the matter at hand, what’s wrong with talking about your kids, politics, history, who posed in Penthouse, college, etc? What’s wrong with asking others for their opinion? These are things that matter to us, that’s why we respond to them. If you want to post something do it, don’t use us as an excuse not to post, that’s a cop out. I’m sure what ever you post will be responded to with the utmost respect and by the person; you’re addressing it too. We may chime in with a comment every now and then. Remember this is a message board for all SHS alumni. As a matter of fact, we would love to hear from other alumni on any subject or even if it’s just to say hi! (Enough) you can liken this to reality TV; we come here because it’s real people saying real things in close to real time. Please, I encourage you not to leave but to post anything your heart desires. KELLY, don’t go!
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 8 10:17:10 2001
Trivia...you want trivia? A few years back, a pair of Levi's sold for 20 thousand dollars. What was so special about this pair of Levi's?
From: ROBERT QUINN (1971) on Tue May 8 10:12:40 2001
New e-mail address Was rquinn@gknaerospace.com
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 8 09:49:29 2001
Kev, she's 15
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 8 09:39:13 2001
You left out class of '84, guys. James...it will take more than a few demlib suggestions (or a leftist conspiracy) to silence my inordinately large and opinionated mouth. I have been watching this board for some time and I have noticed that it falls eerily silent in times that provocative or inflammatory subject matter is not posted. If the great and venerable Byon asked me to cease and desist I would have to consider it...but would probably deny him as well. I personally see nothing wrong with discussing such topics....provided that no one resorts to personal attack, or gets ugly about it. I think that we are a little more grown up than that, though. After all...one of the most useful things I learned in high School....was to speak my mind.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Tue May 8 09:21:44 2001
TRIVIA TIME - back by popular demand: Okay, for class of 1980 grads, what was score of South vs. North high football game in 1980 - for 1981 grads, what was score of same game that year?
From: Enough Already () on Tue May 8 08:52:48 2001
Thanks, Kelly. I appreciated your words of agreement. In response, I didn't say I didn't think it was a good way to meet new people, etc. I just think the politics/history lessons/social conciousness talk should be done elsewhere. Get back to the trivia and lots more people will check in more regularly. I am certain I am not alone here. And no, James, I'm a conservative republican from way back. :)
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 7 20:18:09 2001
What did I do this time? (Hahaha). I thought what we were doing was keeping in touch and making new friends with alumni we never or hardly knew. I think we are using this board (Thanks to Byon)in a responsible manner. "Enough", like Val said there are e-mail address posted and there is more addres at classmates.com. All you have to do is look at the bottom of the first screen. I personally think that this board is a good way to maintain friendships from our HS days. I think it is another Left Wing Conspiracy (LWC) to silence those who do not think their way. PM What do you think? I hope we can expose this conspiracy soon. Maybe we can get Hillary? Naw she probably set the whole thing up.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Mon May 7 19:14:22 2001
I think, Kell, that the only reason it's an 80-82 show is because of our recent and upcoming reunions. We are probably a little "hyper-interested" in being in touch. :) Prior to all this discussion there was little to nothing being said here at all... and the webmaster hasn't asked anyone to cease. I'm sorry if "Enough" isn't enjoying his or herself, but I can't see a reason for alumnist that want to talk to have to find another place to do so, and a chatroom isn't going to work because everyone is on at different times. Byon gave everyone the chance to post their email addresses, so you CAN contact your friends off site if you wish. While I respect "Enough"s views, I don't share them, and will continue to post messages with my fellow alumnists regardless of the topic, here, on the page Byon has provided for us to do just that, unless he decides he no longer wants us to do so. Kelly.. back to email for you and I, I guess, old buddy old pal!! :)
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Mon May 7 18:30:43 2001
Enough Already -- you're probably right. I'm already getting sick of seeing my own name here, so I'm going to get it a rest. I think people were just trying to liven up the joint a little by posting something others would respond to. Ideally this would be a place where classmates of all ages meet, but lately it's become the 1980-82 show. Hope you can enjoy the site again.
From: Enough Already! () on Mon May 7 17:01:11 2001
I respect the handful of you who keep putting your political/social opinions out for other people to read, but I really don't think an alumni page is the place for it. How about if you few take it to a chat room elsewhere and leave this for old friends to post notes and keep in touch?... I think there are many who agree. It's just no fun checking this site out anymore and wading through all of your discussions to find notes from long lost pals. Thanks.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Mon May 7 16:23:25 2001
Rich, how old is your daughter? Sounds like a pretty good child, to me. I have two boys who aren't teens yet, but the fresh mouths are starting to grow already....Yikes!
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 7 14:44:37 2001
Val, your so open minded! Now back to my daughter, she is a great kid. Just has an attitude. She is known in her little group of degenerates (just kidding) as the goodie two shoes. She wants to save herself for marriage; she doesn’t drink, smoke or do drugs and has a good sense of morals. She was raised the right way. Unfortunately, we did the private Christian school thing to long and she was not able to really develop her social skills the way I would have liked. So now, she’s getting the real world all at one time and it’s hard for her to adjust. Nothing wrong with Christian schools if you go to the right one. We didn’t and have no one to blame but ourselves. We tried a different private school once and check this out. We actually had a teacher utterly terrify my daughter and them hit her in the chest twice. Oh yea, we reported it and the teacher admitted to it. Of course, she changed her mind when she found out she had to go to counseling. Her contract with that school was never renewed. Oh, and get this other parents not knowing what happened sent us anonymous letters saying all kinds of bad things about us and my daughter. Ignorant people. No idea how I got off on this tangent, sorry!
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Mon May 7 13:49:02 2001
Davo, you said earlier that you you didn't know the difference between "Ms." and "Miss". "Ms." is a title used by women who do not wish to announce their marital status by way of their deisgnation. As "Dr." or "Mr." neither confirm nor deny marital status, women felt they needed an option other than "Mrs." or "Miss". I'm proud to be a "Mrs." myself, but can understand when the option could be a handy one. Lori
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Mon May 7 12:32:54 2001
WOW Alot has happened since I won the BOOBY prize(ha-ha). I usually check in here while at work and occasionally from home, but I see that I should check more frequently over the week-end. It took me forever to just get thru all the messages. Now I have to go back to work. Check in later. Davo
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Mon May 7 12:22:46 2001
And just to clarify, I didn't think you weer being negative, Rich, it's just a common thread today.. xoxoxoxoox
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Mon May 7 12:21:00 2001
Hey Richard- I have a teenager, my son is 16. Does he have an attitude? Nope. Why? Because I wouldn't stand for it. He watches TV, (as much as he likes within reason) sets his own bedtime (always by 9:00) and gets himself up (at 5:30am no less) He's a B+ student, active in theater, vocal music, wrestling, soccer and tennis. He's very well liked by his friends, and THEY don't have attitudes either. Am I lucky? Nope. I'm blessed, to be ceratin, with a good boy by nature, but I'll give myself credit where it's due too. I was strict enough that he knew what was acceptable and what simply wasn't. Yeah, he pushes the envelope sometimes, he IS a kid afterall.. but he's always reasonable. My opinion is that you have to find the right mix of what you allow them to get away with so that they're content. If you lock up your liguor, kids will try to break in and drink it. If you let them taste your beer, the thrill is gone. I let my son smoke a cigar once. He wanted to try it, I said "go ahead!" The curiosity was satisfied, he thinks I'm a "cool" mom and that was the end of that. (And before I get any flack, I don't believe for one minute that it's unimportant if your kids like you or think you're "cool". It IS important that they feel like you can relate to who they are, or they won't talk to you when they need an ear) Anyway, enough soapboxing, but I had to get in on this one, I just hear SO much negativity about today's kids, and to me it's malarkey.. Todays kids are as good or better than we were! I just love them, they're eyes are open and so are their hearts and minds. I love their freshness and wonder.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 7 09:04:13 2001
Wow, cast iron pans. There’s nothing like a good cast iron pan for cooking. Food always tastes better from a cast iron pan don’t you agree? 3 to 4 hours per week, I wish I could get my kids to cut down too that. Well at least they don’t watch anything that’s bad. Hey, do any of you have a teenager? Do they all have attitudes? I did when I was that age but I’m the parent now and by golly it’s different. I remember what I was like back then, bad Rich, bad Rich! I was a stinker. You think I’m going to subject my daughter to some like me back then, I don’t think so! No dating until she’s thirty I say, no actually we made a deal. She maintains a B plus average and she can date. I thought I had this one in the bag; this kid never had anything better than a C plus avg. The minute I made this deal she started getting good grades, three B’s & three A’s on her last report card. I can feel the gray hairs starting to grow already.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 7 08:38:11 2001
Richard, I just was posting and when I sent it there were 3 posts already. I can admit that I do not own from Mr. Ronco. I do not fall for those gadget mystery non-stick pans, sleep away your fat, never sharpen your knives again, spray paint your bald spot (still have my hair), slimmer buns and thighs in just 5 minutes a day, tread mill junk stackers / spare closets. I Laugh every time I see them. I use old Cast Iron pans (rarely stick) and will be there for my daughter when she grows up. I know we all do fall victim to these guys, but I do limit their influence especially to my daughter by not letting her watch TV. Her average TV time is about 3-4 hrs a week, usually on the weekends (not kidding). It means that their is a lot of interaction, and it is a challenge, but she will be better off for it.
From: michelle (2004) on Mon May 7 08:27:30 2001
i love ryan burrell, and estella sucks!!!
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 7 08:25:11 2001
Kelly, You have hit it on the head with this subject matter. You are right when asking if advertisers think the public has a low I.Q. In fact they do. They also target the low I.Q. people who what something for nothing (sound like our LibDem's). What they are doing is what is allowed in our capitialistic society, profit making. The only way to combat these companies it is to educate our people. That would be hard considering that most probably do not know who the President is. Does anyone here remember the film from HS (history i think) where it was about an advertising firm selling a product, which happened to be cigerettes, It was done as a farce but at the end a Real Ad exec. came on and confessed that they can sell you anything. That day I learned not to be taken in by all those ads. That comment really enlightened me and I remember it to this day. Guess what they were right as seen by the modern day infomercials.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 7 08:18:45 2001
Good Question Kelly. Do advertisers think the public has a collective I.Q. of the current temperature? Well unfortunately, they do and we do when it comes to advertising and infomercials. Look at all those wonder creams, and special undies, Beer, A M P M spots, etc. etc. Oh and do not forget those well thought out spots on medicine that we here and see. Geez, we do not even know what the stuff is for. Bright lights, whistles & bells that’s all it takes and were hooked. Oh and please, don’t tell me any of you are beyond this. We all succumb to it day in and day out. Any body own anything from Ronco? Fess up.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 7 08:06:47 2001
You guys had a Busy weekend. Bill, I couldn't agree with you more. If anyone should get anything it's the The people that were here before us. Our Native American brothers & sisters. If your family tree goes back far enough in this country, you will probably find alittle Indian in your family. I know I do and I am proud of it.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Mon May 7 07:56:52 2001
Kelly, I didn't take yours or anyone's comments here as "smart-alekcy" - I enjoy to hear people's opinions about history because you know what? That's what the history that we read in school and teach our kids today - it's the "opinion" of those who can argue their point better than the other who write the history. By the time I'd finished with my studies in History, I had to learn that sorry lesson. I did it so I can teach at a local community college and I really, really enjoy doing that as my "hobby", thats all. I don't know any more than any other person who is willing to read and study it. I think your comments are insightful and I thank you for the website, by the way, that I've checked out. I've bookmarked it and it will be a future reference for me when I teach Colonial American history next semester... Anyhow, I agree with your comment about veggies and being organic. My question to anyone who knows is, why are "organic" veggies more expensive than the regular, pesticide-laden variety (joke :-))
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Mon May 7 07:03:36 2001
P.S. Can I vent for a minute? Yesterday there was an infomercial on for a weight-loss shake that supposedly melts the fat away. The models for this stuff all looked like they go to the gym and lift weights two hours a day. Do advertisers think the public has a collective I.Q. of the current temperature? Have you ever noticed how much that stuff in the grocery store called "Fit" costs? It takes the wax and pesticide residue off your fruits and veggies. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to figure out a way to use fewer pesticides instead of just coming up with a high-priced product that capitalizes on the public's fear of carcinogens? Seems like buying organic produce would be money better spent. We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Mon May 7 06:47:53 2001
Thanks, Kevin, for your long post on slavery. After posing my question on the slavery-sex-Bible thing, I read through the directory and saw that you have a Master's in history, so I knew you'd probably be the one to respond. It wasn't meant to be a smart-alecky question -- I've not read the Bible cover to cover, so I don't know what it says about slavery. As for reparations, I don't think that's the answer, either, for African-Americans. I agree with Bill that if anybody should get reparations (and they'd have to be so major I couldn't even begin to figure out where to start) it's the Native Americans.
From: Bill (68) on Mon May 7 00:39:12 2001
Kevin's right. Reparations now would be a major smack in the face for those who made the maximum sacrifice to free the slaives. They paid with their lives !!! Their precious lives " Bought " that freedom and with so many who died , perhaps they overpaid. But it is done, so those who suggest reparations for those who were given " free lives" ought to " get a life " . If any one deserves reparations it is the people of a culture that was here in the US for 10,000 years and ended up experiencing genicide , reservations, and poverty even to this day. and in the aftermath of being freed there were black cavelry that assisted in the genicide. Rightousness and Reparations are both words that begin with " R " , perhaps those looking for the reparations could take the time to ponder the concept of if anyone should get any reparations hhhhhhhmmmmmm who do ya think the recipiants should be ?? Think of the concept.
From: Chonk (2002) on Sun May 6 22:23:34 2001
www.chonkland.com is better than you.
From: Beautiful () on Sun May 6 17:22:44 2001
Thank You Kevin. This is one area that my children and I have studied for quite a while and I really tried to give them as full a picture as possible. Taking out our personal feelings and experiences and learning about the Southern Culture vs. Northern Culture. In that context, for us it was easier to see how slavery thrived for a time. We are into the Reconstruction period and its difficult, very difficult to read of the things that came out of Reconstruction.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Sun May 6 14:48:44 2001
The issue of slavery in our country is quite difficult to understand today. It's been over 135 years since the last slave was born in this country. When the country was founded, that slavery was allowed was due to compromise. Several times during the convention in 1787, Southern delegates and Northern delegates clashed over that issue. It was allowed, though the importation of slave officially stopped after 1808. The Northwest Ordinances of 1785 and 1787 expressly prohibited slavery - that was Thomas Jefferson - the one, Kelly, who owned slaves and had sex/relationship with Sally Jennings. Most people in this county don't understand that the South, on the eve of the Civil War, over 76% of the White population owned no slaves and that less than one tenth of one percent owned more than 300 slaves - Slavery is not understood historically in it's total context. People are quick to judge whites who bought them, but quickly forget that over 90% of slaves were captured by their fellow countryman and many forcibly marched across West Africa to be traded with Europeans for Gold, Rum and other goods coveted in Africa. And one thousand years before the first Europeans arrived, Islamic forces had introduced the slave trade to Africa. Africa is a very diverse Continent with a rich history of it's own - filled with clashing cultures and foreign influences - some hailed and others cursed. But to answer your question, Kelly, about how could a founding father justify owning slaves and call himself a Christian, one only has to look in the Bible - there are several references, Old Testament and New Testament, mentioning slavery. I personally don't and never will agree with that vile institution - that a man feels he can own another like property. Any debt owed to slaves was paid with blood during the Civil War - when men gave their lives - men who never owned slaves nor understood why other did, but fought to free them and keep this nation together. After the Civil War, the Reconstruction period was supposed to right the wrongs done to blacks, but didn't erase in 12 years what had transpired for the previous 200 years. I personally am against reparations - for several reasons, but mainly because it's been 135 years since the last slave was born in this country. As I've stated before, though imperfect, this nation has done more than any other nation to right the injustices done to others. This government should apologize, officially, but reparations to the living today is a smack in the face of dead Union Soldiers who gave everything they could so that the nation would endure.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Sun May 6 14:12:25 2001
Kelly, I am not condoning what they did. I was just saying that having slaves was the norm for the world at that time, and their behavior is between them and their God. Do not judge, least ye be judged. Also that we should not "Pay" for our past mistakes. We have done so much, albeit badly, for the blacks of this country. Correcting for past mistakes should not be hand outs. Look at LBJ's War on Poverty! We have spent (what 2-4 Trillion) on this "War" and blacks are worse off then they were in the fifties. I believe our resident historian Kevin Smith can back this up. What about "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach him how to fish and feed him for a lifetime". I am for helping people but I am not for giving people a handout. James
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Sun May 6 05:46:49 2001
Got an obscure, slave-related question for you. How does a good Christian founding father justify denying rights to slaves on the basis that they are not quite human, and on the other hand having sex with them? In the Bible, would that not be bestiality?
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Sat May 5 23:02:21 2001
The fact that out Founding Fathers were Slave owners (in my opinion), does not matter as slave ownership was practiced by most countries of the time. Why do we have to pay for our country's past today. I know this is just one issue but it is being brought up today by some blacks who what money from the Government due to our past slave ownership. We cannot change our history but the best we can do is learn from it or we are doomed to repeat it. I think Kevin is right that we got most of our ideas from the European form of rule.
From: Anne Proudfoot ('80) on Sat May 5 17:43:42 2001
Hi all… I just wanted to comment on the 'Ms Stewart/centerfold' discussion. (sorry, but I'm a bit behind on reading all the posts here). I knew the answer even before I saw that David posted it. I actually asked Ms Stewart about it once. She said that it started way back when, maybe the early '70's, when a boy at South saw a centerfold that looked a lot like her (Miss McVeigh was her name at the time). Rumors started that it was her, but she said Mr. Rotcher wouldn't have hired her if it had been her. And then she said (and this is a direct quote!) "Look at me, I have no tits and a fat ass -- do you think I would pose naked???" So, I'm sure it was all a wicked rumor, started by a bunch of hormone-charged teenage boys, sneaking a peak at their dads' Playboys…
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Sat May 5 15:28:25 2001
Thanks, Kelly. I do know that Ben Franklin was a great admirer of Native Americans. I will check out that website.
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Sat May 5 14:19:22 2001
Kevin -- see this site (http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/FF.html) for more on how the Iroquois system of government influenced the drafters of the Constitution, particularly Ben Franklin. The whole book, called Forgotten Founders, is online. I remember learning about this part of American history in a college course on Native American religions.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Sat May 5 06:40:46 2001
Kelly Scott - interesing comment about Founding Fathers borrowing come constitutional ideas from Native Americans. I always thought their primary influence was from British Common Law and the Enlightenment ideas of democracy that sprang up in Europe. John Locke, for example, was one such person they borrowed from. Can you give a couple examples of the ideas they borrowed from Native Americans? It sounds really interesting and I'd like to pursue the research. PM - I do agree that the United States, in my opinion, is and remains the greatest nation on earth. And for all the flaws of an imperfect government run by imperfect people, no country has done more to correct the wrongs done to people over the centuries than the United States.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Sat May 5 06:03:53 2001
Let me say, Kelly, that you are as brilliant as you are beautiful...! xoxoxo
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Fri May 4 20:42:15 2001
Hey, Richard Weeks, 15 years ago I couldn't have told you exactly where Iowa was -- somewhere in the middle, somewhere near the top. Now I know it intimately enough to have no shame at all about living here. (Now if you want to talk about DREAD... Just kidding, sort of.) It's good to live in a small Midwestern town, at least for a while. If only there were mountains, better weather, fewer large-scale hog lots. But isn't diversity part of what makes this country great? I can't agree with you, Perrius, that it's the greatest in the world, much less the greatest ever. I don't know any other country the way I know and love this one, and it seems awfully arrogant to keep saying, "We're Number One!" all the time. Most countries with stable governments are probably populated with citizens who feel exactly the same way. Our founding fathers were astonishingly wise, and had profound political vision. They were Christians. Many of them were also slave owners. They borrowed some of their Constitutional ideas from Native Americans. I'd much rather see them for who they really were than glorify them. And I'd like my kid to know all the facts about her country's history, not gloss over the more painful ones because they paint a less than complimentary picture of the white men who tended to run it.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Fri May 4 17:09:16 2001
Thanks, Davo, - protocal is very important on this website. My apologies to "Ms. Stewart"....
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Fri May 4 16:12:24 2001
Davo, thanks it's interesting to see what everyone else is doing. Me I'm a branch manager for a plastics manufacture in whittier. It's cool my territory is everything west of the rockies, and my bosses are all on the east coast.
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Fri May 4 15:36:11 2001
RW - I'm a Production Control Manager for a medium-sized aerospace company in beautiful downtown Santee,CA. I love to go to airshows and see some of our products on various aircraft. DAvo
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Fri May 4 15:36:02 2001
Okay...here we go. I have not read this book, admittedly, but I have read excerpts from it and have heard numerous quotes from it. One need not engross themselves in a work such as this to see it for what it is; historical revision. Are there some facts included in this work...sure, there are some. The fact is, we all know about the injustices done in this country. We know about how Africans were captured and enslaved, emancipated and then discriminated against for centuries. We know that the Plains Indians were swept onto reservations, and in certain times and places, people were persecuted for their beliefs. We know about Sen. Joe McCarthy and his witch hunt for "communists". You can read about these events everywhere. Can you give me a valid reason for focusing only on subject matter such as this in our children's educational institutions? Shall we have all of our children grow up to view this country in the same manner as that of Louis Farrakhan and his twisted entourage? Does the fact that these events occured impugn our past to the point that this nation of ours is not the greatest in the world, and perhaps even in history, despite the fact that we are flawed the same as anyone else? Perhaps Mr. Loewen would be happy if all we taught our children in school is how the human race is nothing but a congregation of soul-less wretches deserving of our own impending annihilation. The fact that the founding fathers of this country were very very wrong at times does not make the contributions they made any less great. These people were all part of the evolution of the human species. I am open minded, Kelly... very much so. I just happen to be a free thinker as well. I don't let people like Mr. Loewen do it for me. Richard..that be me. Dave, I was in Van Nuys recently and happened to catch the CAF in a meet there. There is nothing like seeing those old birds take to the air.
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Fri May 4 15:30:59 2001
Richard, the airshow's in El Cajon (San Diego). Kevin, that was MS. Stewart, she always made that very clear, although at the time I didn't know the difference between Ms or Miss. Come to think of it, I still don't! Davo
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Fri May 4 14:57:13 2001
Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding! We have a winner in the last trivia question - Way to go Dave! Yes, it was the English teacher, Mrs. Stewart who it was rumored, posed in a men's magazine - supposedly the layout was called "Peach of a teach..."
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Fri May 4 14:48:16 2001
SOUTH HIGH FOOTBALL RULES, COULDN'T RESIST! Watched Bill & Ted to many times. Dave, where's the air show?
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Fri May 4 14:45:04 2001
Beautiful, if that is your name then give us the year you graduated south and did you go by any other names? Say like your middle name? Kelly, Iowa? The shame! Just kidding! In addition, here are some clues on the Penthouse thing, she attended Hillside Elementary. I can’t yet Val, this one is to much fun. Hey, anyone remember Robert Barrett, if so guess his occupation? Hey you know that’s a good question, you guys might have already done this but what do you guys do for a living?
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Fri May 4 14:22:08 2001
Hiya Kelly, How's Iowa? Sweltering yet?? I'm at work watching vintage airplanes fly overhead. Part of an airshow in town this weekend. P-51's B-17's Very cool!! Am I right on the English teacher? Davo PS I meant - howdy my brother John
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