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From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 22 20:29:46 2001
Thank God, free at last! One more week! And Leilani, I never said anything of the sort. I -said- I was done reading posts from Zack and Chonk. And don't worry, I assure you there is no possibility of you growing up to be like "us". None at all. You would have had to have had a better start than it seems you had. Does that sound rude? Oh well.. If you aren't worried about your manners I don't supppose I should worry either, eh?
From: Zack (2000) on Tue May 22 17:01:37 2001
good, a second board, what we all need. keeps the integrity of this board alive and keeps the chatters happy. Yay everyone, I guess I got something accomplished after all.
From: Rich (1981) on Tue May 22 16:31:17 2001
Kelly I sent you an e-mail
From: Kelly again (1980) on Tue May 22 16:25:32 2001
Let's do.
From: Rich (1981) on Tue May 22 16:24:13 2001
Great,now let's drop it. move on to more fun things.
From: Kelly (Carll) Scott (1980) on Tue May 22 16:17:01 2001
Yup, Byon told me the same thing as Chonk about the second message board. He said he has been monitoring the posts here and hasn't posted anything himself because: a) he doesn't like to censor anything; and b) he was hoping that we could work it out among ourselves. Then the discussion came up this second time and got pretty nasty. His work is keeping him really busy lately, but he said he thought the second board was a good idea, and that he'd try to get it going in the next week or so. I think it'll work out really well for everybody.
From: Leilani (2000) on Tue May 22 16:15:30 2001
well i for one hope that i never grow up to be like any of you 30-somethings that claim to have dropped the issue (valerie) but sneak in your remarks at the end of almost all of your postings... has anyone ever tried using email? or Instant Messanger? Messanger is probably faster than a board... i didnt like it when i got those forwards you people posted in my email, so why would i want to come on a message board looking for classmates and find them again?
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 22 16:04:56 2001
Dave glad I could brighten your day! I read that and died, it actually came from a posting in one of the other High school links that Byon lists on the home page. It was to good to pass up. Wait til I get home and hand it to my Melissa. Hehehehehe! Chonk, that's good news. Hey James, where are you?
From: chonk (chonkland.com) on Tue May 22 15:31:04 2001
Actually, I spoke to Byon, and he said in about a week, he will likely put up a second message board to settle this. So, it's quite the contrary- everyone CAN be happy. Chonk
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Tue May 22 12:33:46 2001
Richard, thank you for the post regarding dating. After all the "heavy" talk, It was awesome to just read and laugh. ALOT! My partner in the office is staring at me as if I was a nut. My daughter is 12 going on 25. I worry about how I will react when the time comes. I'll probably act like "an old foagy". Well I gotta wipe the tears outta my eyes and go back to work. Later, Dave
From: WhOEveR SpEaKs AgAin () on Tue May 22 11:42:25 2001
No Zack you didnt care if I was original you just wanted me to agree with you and i dont. I think the older users here have a right to discuss whatever they want as this is a board for alumni to talk it is not a board for alumni to talk about south high. What it seems to boil down to is that your big gripe is that posts you made don't get replied to fast enough. they disappear because others are talking too much for your taste. the fact remains that it's not the fault of the other posters that your friends dont log in often enough for you. Sorry your posts dont get the kind of attention you think they deserve, but you can't make a whole room (even a virtual one) full of people find you interesting. obviously you might want to think about emailing your friends in this case rather than trying to change a system that works for a majority of the users here.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 22 10:25:46 2001
Hello Per- yup, that's where I am. I keep hoping I'll ignore them and they'll go away! Probably not, but oh well! We'll go right on having fun regardless, eh? Glad you're back!!
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 22 10:08:35 2001
You're only as old as you feel!
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 22 10:06:16 2001
Sheesh, I take a break from the postings and the linguistic skirmishing commences. Val, just ignore the youngin's. They are only being inflammatory in order to get a rise out of you. It's strange how they never have anything positive to add to this board. They simply slam others in order to try and shut them up.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 22 10:04:14 2001
Here's something most of us will appreciate: Just in case you weren't feeling too old today, this will certainly change things… The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born about 1982. They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan Era and probably did not know he had ever been shot. They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged. Black Monday, 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression. There has been only one Pope during their lives. They were about 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart and do not remember the Cold War. (Duck and Cover!!) They are too young to remember the space shuttle blowing up. Bottle caps have always been screw off and plastic… what’s a pull tab? Atari predates them, as do vinyl albums. The expression "You sound like a broken record" means nothing to them because they’ve never owned a record player. They have likely never played PAC Man and have never heard of Pong. They may have never heard of an 8 track, but remember, the Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1 year old. As far as they know, stamps have always cost about 33 cents. They have always had an answering machine. Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have never watched a black and white TV. They have always had cable. There have always been VCRs, but they have no idea what BETA was. They cannot fathom not having a remote control. They missed the "Help me, I've fallen and I can't get up" commercial. They were born the year that Walkman were introduced by Sony. Roller skating has always meant inline for them. Jay Leno has always been on the Tonight Show. They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool. Popcorn has always been cooked in the microwave. And they have never seen Larry Bird play. They never took a swim and thought about Jaws. The Vietnam War is as ancient history to them as WWI, WWII and the Civil War…and when were Americans were ever held hostage in Iran?? They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are. They don't know who Mork was or where he was from. They never heard: "Where's the beef?", "I'd walk a mile for a Camel," or "De plane, de plane!". They do not care who shot J.R. because they have no idea who J.R. was! The Titanic was found? You mean is was lost at some point? Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America, and Alabama are places, not rock bands. McDonalds never came in Styrofoam containers. There has always been MTV. And they don't have a clue how to use a typewriter. No wonder they’re all angry! Look at what they missed!! Do you feel old yet?
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 22 09:51:24 2001
ha!! hahahahhaha!! Very good!
From: Rich (1981) on Tue May 22 09:39:11 2001
Sorry guys this was just to funny not to share.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 22 09:38:00 2001
Ok I found this on another website so I’m going to borrow it and give it to my daughter who’s fifteen now and wishes to date. I will make this mandatory reading for all her dates. Ten Rules for Dating My Daughter Rule One: If you pull into my driveway and honk, you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up. Rule Two: You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them from your body. Rule Three: I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist. Rule Four: I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate: When it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you. Rule Five: Don't think that in order for us to get to know each other we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is "early". Rule Six: I have no doubt you are a popular fellow with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry. Rule Seven: As you stand in my front hallway waiting for my daughter to appear and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like change the oil in my car? Rule Eight: The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose-down parka zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme should be avoided. Movies that feature chainsaws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better. Rule Nine: Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a pot-bellied, getting older, dim-witted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and backyard behind the house. Do not trifle with me. Rule Ten: Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy outside of Hanoi. I’ve seen lot’s of movies on this subject so I can imagine that I was there. So when the Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car. There is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Tue May 22 09:00:55 2001
Tony, almost forgot.. are you related to Bruce and Brian?
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Tue May 22 08:58:58 2001
Tony, you must have missed the attack that started the war, but it's moot point now. We'll all go right on discussing whatever we want, and so will the kids who are ticked that we're doing so, which is obviously what Byon wants or he would have intervened by now. Fact is, you're never gonna please all the people all the time. If there is to be only one board, then we will all have to simply do as we wish and refrain from ragging on people who are doing otherwise, which is how this whole thing started to begin with! For myself, the answer to this is to simply ignore any posts from people I know to be inflamatory and childish and stick to talking to my old friends, and make new ones as well. Hopefully, others will be able to refrain from negative and snide comments and speak only to those they wish to communicate positively with. For the record, the conversaation you're having now with Richard may soon fall under attack as it is not school-related, and it IS ongoing. That itself is what we were attacked for. You see the issue is that if Person A posts a message that says "What happened at the Football game on Friday?" Person A wants to log in on Monday and find replies to that question, not have it moved off to the Older Messages pile by posts about where we used to live, or what our views are on adoption or gun control. Certain users feel that this board should only be a place to post questions and await answers, a view that obviously you don't share. So join the club, Tony.. welcome to our happy little band of talking, chatting alumnists! we're glad you're here!!
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 22 08:52:08 2001
Tony, I put Bill and I ment to address that to you. Sorry!
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 22 08:13:49 2001
Bill, don't know exactly when my folks moved up there. I was born the year you got out of school. My brother though was class of 65, played football & surfed. I remember the fields, I used to have so much fun playing gullies & ravines growing up. The park kinda wrecked that. Let's see you lived in the house the hayes's lived in so we would have been one house removed to the right if you were looking at the driveway. Zack thinks for posting the info on Travis, sorry to hear about it. Kelly, you rock! Val, xoxoxo's as always. Heather who's your mom? James, you give up on us? PM, what's up? Kev, I saw your freshman picture :)Peace!!!!!
From: Tony Carstens (1962) on Tue May 22 07:52:42 2001
Richard Weeks: As you're looking at the driveway to Alta Loma Park, we lived in the house to the immediate right. 26130 DeLos Drive, if I remember correctly. When we lived there, there was no park or golf course; there we're just open fields, gullies and ravines for a couple thousand acres behind our house. You mentioned that I might know your brother. I'm pretty ancient; what years did y'all live up there? I assume from your earlier post that you also lived on DeLos? Next item, to anyone who cares: Looking back through some of the earlier posts, and giving this some more thought, it seems that Zack and Chonk are just weighing in and it's hard to see how anyone could get excited about their input. And it's mostly the thrity-somethings that have gotten all bent out of shape and personal over this. Mahalo (Bill, did I spell that correctly?)
From: Kelly (Carll) Scott (1980) on Tue May 22 05:20:32 2001
I wrote to Byon and asked him to consider putting up another message board here for the Roundtable. I think that would solve a lot of our problems with this site. Agree? If not, I encourage you to e-mail Byon yourself. You can find his e-mail address at the bottom of the home page.
From: Zack (2000) on Tue May 22 00:50:33 2001
Al Osburg could have taught for 40 more years.... so much spunk...... hey wHoEvEr.... I wanted you to be original, and you weren't.
From: wHoEvEr yOu WaNt Me tO bE... (wHeneVer) on Mon May 21 21:01:17 2001
All you little punks need to go back to school. Not SH, charm school. You have no manners and no class and you attack when you ought to shut up The nice people here were having a good time talking to each other and you could have joined them like they asked and gotten involved and learned some stuff and maybe shared new viewpoints but instead you just shot off your mouths. I think everyone was much much happier and this board was better before you kids decided you need to throw your weight around. Why don't you all get on your bicycles and go ride around the strand and talk about how you'll never be old opinionated people who have better things to talk about with old friends than who won the prom this year. Then someday, when you actually grow up and you and your friends want to talk about something on a board designed for just that purpose, some kids will come up to you and tell you you have no right to have your discussions in a public arena and youll remember this and think oh gee I guess i sure was an ass back then and everuone here will agree with you
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Mon May 21 20:41:26 2001
Mr. Sweet's daughter, Jennifer, graduated class of 1981. Perhaps she'll attend the reunion, and I might be able to get some info for you, Melissa. I also heard that he'd passed away recently, although I can't recall who told me. For the record, I hear that Glenn Schwendemann is still around the area.. he's got to be getting up there. George Ice recently retired as did (Thank goodness) Al Osburg. Anyone remember Russel Granada? What was up with all the rumours that he was a commie? I never had him as a teacher, so I don't know the story, but I do remember all the buzz about it. On another subject: Zack and Chonk, I am totally done talking to both of you as IMHO, you are exasperating and merely need to "win", regardless of whether you're right or wrong. I'm not even gonna bite on your BS messages anymore, and I will simply ignore your posts and not read them. Heather, who is your mother? Why is she not chiming in? Just curious...
From: Zack (2000) on Mon May 21 18:27:23 2001
For Alice, Travis was a guy who used to pick on me.... like, hardcore.... he was a real dick to me and I dreaded school because of him, one day I asked why he was a prick and we became one on one friends.... he just had that kinda male group mentality... but he was a sweet guy with ill intents. Everybody that was not victim to him LOVED him, he was intelligent and pretty funny. A charmer who always got the ladies, he tragically died in a car accident involving 2 other south boys, one who was charged with evading a crime scene.... it's all really sad. this was about a year ago.... after it happened there was a service and I have heard everyone was falling apart, a good friend was talking to himself in the back and it was really grim..... some Travis admirers went up to the S and wrote TRAVIS ROCKS with toilet paper and it maintained for weeks. Now TRAVIS JACKSON R.I.P. 1980 - 2000 is on lots of South Trucks.... it makes me sick that people who barely know him have those stickers on his car but I'm sure Travis would have loved that kind of attention. He was bad to me, but he didn't deserve what he got and I hope he rests peaceful.
From: Heather (2000) on Mon May 21 17:46:00 2001
Hi people. My mother graduated in the class of '81, and I was the class of 2000. My mom has been reading the posts and telling me about it, so I decided to read them to see if it was interesting. I've only read the last few, but this is pathetic. I happened to sit by Zack in our Biology class junior year, and he was a pretty good guy. He also has a good point. All he is saying is that this is an alumni board and it's for South High related subjects - not world topics that can be discussed elsewhere - and all of you people with "wisdom" resort to attacking his character rather than considering his point? Whose immaturity does that show? Richard Weeks had the best point of all, yet you didn't attack him because he's older? What an example to set for us children that don't know anything. BTW my mom agreed with Zack.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 21 16:28:05 2001
Shannon, Melissa do you know about any of our other teachers? Anyone remember mrs renee (spelling?)Renee dollars what a goof she was.
From: Bat Man (some time between 1976 to 1981) on Mon May 21 16:24:46 2001
KlintonDeathClowns, Dieter, Joni Mitchell, etc. who you callen geezers? What one year makes you a young pup. Just kidding, couldn't resist!
From: Alice Cooper () on Mon May 21 16:21:11 2001
Chonk, let's move on. enough is enough. why don't you tell us about travis, his story seems to have gotten lost in all this.
From: Melissa Noble-Barron (80) on Mon May 21 16:20:44 2001
Rich, I heard about Mr Sweet on classmates.com(I think) a few months ago, but nobody mentioned when he died. I really loved his class and learned more from him than from any other teacher. He was great! I haven't been able to go to any reunions, so I have no info on teachers or alumni.........Not surprised you don't remember me- I was pretty anonymous in HS. I "hung around" with Maria Briguglio, Helen Lin, Arlene Hepworth, Jim Pickard and Arthur Whiting, to name a few. I was also on the Drill Team in 78.
From: Shannon (83) on Mon May 21 16:19:07 2001
It seems I knew about Mr. Sweet's death years ago. Maybe 5? Uh, I forget. My sister is good friends with the family
From: Chonk () on Mon May 21 16:10:16 2001
Valerie: You can infer what you want from what I said, but how dare you imply that I am a hypocrite when I never criticized you for what you were bringing up: unrelated posts. I agree with Zack, but I would never criticize others for something I myself am guilty of. To quote you, Valerie, "Did anyone say 'You IDIOT! We don't want to hear about your stupid website!' Did anyone say 'Listen, Little boy, that's not school related! Go Away!'" Um, no, but what's your point? I never said anything to that effect to your either. Did I ever criticize your unrelated posts or call you an "IDIOT" or "little boy?" And you constantly claim that I'm the one who doesn't read the posts. And you said "Majority Rules." Fine. Does that mean anyone who disagrees with the majority should keep their mouths shut? I sure hope you never become president. To point out another outrageous claim of yours: "When I quoted Zack, you thought I was attacking you, so you clearly hadn't even read the discussion, and yet you sure put in your two cents!" I didn't think you were attacking me.. I disagreed with you, and therefore said so. Maybe you should start doing a little less "inferring" and a little more "careful reading" or just stop "putting in your 2 cents" all together. Chonk P.S. You're getting pretty emotional about this discussion with all of your SCREAMING. If we're going to debate, let's try to be civil and "mature" about it, okay?
From: Zack Rules aka, KlintonDeathClowns, Dieter, Joni Mitchell and others (1982, yes that's right 1982) on Mon May 21 16:04:27 2001
Zack Rules. I love this kid. Hey Zack, do you know anything about network infrastructure, packet analysis, data security, VPN’s, or firewalls. I want to hire you. You ROCK – keep speaking your mind and don’t let these geezers get you down. PEACE
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 21 16:03:53 2001
Wow Melissa Knoble! I ummmmmm don't remember you, but I do remember the name. Ahh Melissa what a great name, that's what we named our daughter. When did you hear about Mr. Sweet?
From: OJ (I didn't do it) on Mon May 21 15:58:43 2001
Rodney King I thought you were dead or atleast in jail. Did you use my lawyers? Pretty good aren't they!
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 21 15:55:18 2001
This is part of an e-mail I sent to Zack. He didn't do the Dr Seuss thing so I owe him an apology. Zack, I believe I was the one that indicated you or chonk sent the Dr Seuss mesg. If you didn't I apologize for miss reading that message and my reply to it. As for agreeing with you, I have said from the first complaint a few weeks ago that there are two camps. One that likes to continually post and have dialog and others that wish to have the occasional postings. We both can't have are way here and neither of us should leave. The only solution is to have two boards and you came up with a great name (roundtable) we could call the room/board The SHS Alumni Roundtable Room. I think both parties would agree this would be satisfactory. It's up to the Great Byon to decide though. So far Byon's been quite on the issue.
From: Melissa Noble-Barron (1980) on Mon May 21 15:46:08 2001
Enough! Enough! Enough! Thought for the day-Can we just agree to disagree and move on? This is getting ridiculous. By the way, does anyone know when Mr Sweet passed away? I recently heard about that and was saddened by it. He was my favorite teacher at SHS. He taught psychology.
From: anti zack (1981) on Mon May 21 15:07:23 2001
dear zack -- you're a little tightly wound...don't you think?
From: Rodney King (Never graduated) on Mon May 21 15:03:54 2001
Can't we all just get along??????
From: Zack (2000) on Mon May 21 14:56:35 2001
you guys do not practice what u preach, yes Kelly, there were a couple of posts about Travis' accident on here you didn't see it because it was lost among others. You people are supposed to be so much more mature than me but you seem to be quite the opposite..... relying on gang-like verbal assaults and think that because you've gone through college and are married/divorced/have kids.... that you've experienced more so therefore are right no matter what. As for all of you thinking we need advice on things just because we're younger.... keep your tounges in your mouths until asked for advice. I raised a stink before I asked about Prom court because I came on before prom to see if I knew anyone...... and I get all this BS about politics and anything unlrelated to South High past present or future.... we're @ SouthHigh.com so treat it is as meant, as a place for Alumni to come and meet up with eachother not to discuss unrelated (to South Torrance) matters. I've been attacked so many times within the last 24 hrs that I can't reply to them all. Valerie is one of the most immature people I have ever come across.... Rich seems to be praising his peers while agreeing with me, it's so funny how you attackDr. Suess when he's agreeing with u... it was not chonk nor I and you're on defense mode level 9 so when you don't understand something you immediatly take offense. James is redundant and wants to get the word WISDOM across so many times because he thinks it applies just to age rather than earned intelligence. and Kevin, dear sweet Kevin.... the one who started this insipid tirade of insulting hogwash well, for you.... I thank you... this has all been very entertaining and I have you to thank..... I seem to have gotten people all wound up over two little words "sad saps".... and since typing those words I see how little thought goes into replies... how little people actually want to get things accomplished rather then complain. How sad life after 25 must be so that a good amount of work goes on @ a South High message board where whimsical mystery men like Dr. Suess (who I betcha is rolling in his grave, R.I.P.) and immature feminist nobodies vent all their frustrations on one kid (and I am a kid, I never denied it, happy to be one) who was just trying to make this board a better place to visit, which is its intent, not to insult or debate or hypothiseis.... you come up with witty little things like calling Chonk, Chump. and reverting back to grade school antics like using the word loser... and saying that I have no friends. Making up stuff like I ever said "Get a chat room." I never mentioned a chat room, I suggested EMAIL as a way to speak your mind..... but not here on trivial BS. So once again I plead to the alumni of SH not to partake in hyper-defense mode attack tactics and just think about what I said because this place used to be great, it used to be a message board and now...... it's a roundtable. Since I'm not one to get involved with hypocricys please, if you have any further words (hurtful or otherwise) I will hope that you have the decency to tell me what you think by EMAILING me instead of posting them on here, because that is not the purpose of this board. NUTTYMONG@AOL.COM. we can discuss whatever u like.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 21 12:43:59 2001
Dr. Suess, Good one. Poking fun is a way to state the obvious lack of intelligence of some of our posters. Rich, I do not think it was Chumk
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Mon May 21 12:27:14 2001
hahhaha! I though that was rather funny, in a lame sort of way...
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 21 12:21:50 2001
Wow, that was ummmmmmmmmm interesting. Or maybe it was plagiarism hard to tell. Anyway, that’s our tax dollars hard at work. Zack, Chonk I understand your both misguided youths trying to fit in to that musical world of yours but this is not the place to do it. When you insult one alumnus, you insult us all, including your self. Chonk your not even out of school yet, why are you posting on an alumni board? Let’s try and keep it civil, ok. Don’t ruin it for others with these silly little Dr Seuss rhymes of yours. Green weenies & ham wow that was so original. Hey, if you are not proud of being an SHS alumnus then go away. Were here to reconnect and have discussions with our friends.
From: Dr. Suess () on Mon May 21 11:37:36 2001
Green Wienies and Spam This is Zack, Zack is he Zack is he, Zack he be He calls himself Zack-I-Am He doesn’t like Green Wienies and Spam Do you like Green Wienies and Spam? Do you like them, Zack-I-am? “Would you like them reading an SHS website post?” “Would you like them with your toast?” I would not like them reading an SHS post, I would not like them with my toast I do not like Green Wienies and Spam, I do not like them says Zack-I-am. “Would you like them in the SHS website chat room?” “Would you like them while sweeping a broom?” “I would not like them in the SHS website chat room, I would not like them in while sweeping a broom, I would not like them reading an SHS website Post, I would not like them with my toast” I do not like Green Weinies and Spam, I do not like them says Zack-I-Am. “Would you to eat them with “Crow” “When you eat them, will you post and let us know?” I would not eat them with “Crow” I won’t eat them, so I won’t let you know I would not like them in the SHS website chat room I would not like them while sweeping a broom I would not like them reading as SHS website post I would not like them with my toast I do not like Green Wienies and Spam, I do not like them says Zack-I-Am Then the Dr. Suggests you get a life, For some, it’s a husband or wife, Or kids, or a career, that will do, But anything, anything will be helpful for you So try some Green Wienies and Spam, I’m sure you’ll like them, Zack-I-Am Stay tuned for Dr. Suess’s next post entitled “Bonk on Chonk”
From: James (1980) on Mon May 21 10:17:03 2001
Sorry for the double post. I thought Al Gore's internet lost it.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 21 10:15:27 2001
Boy I leave for a Girl Scout testing camp out and all hell breaks out. HAHA. It looks like you all had Zack and his friend Chump under control. Zack about you eariler posts, We do have a life. Most of us are married, divorced, have kids (some of whom are near you age), maintain a home, a job, cars, hobbies and on and on. Those of us with kids close to your age know you better than you do. After we have seen you being born, changed you diapers, sat up with you all night when you were sick or had a bad dream. Know what you like to eat and what you don't, we know what you are good at, We also let you do things knowing that you will fail. We do this because we love our kids and to help you learn an important lesson: "Life is not fair" It was not meant to be. In other words Zack and chump what we have gained through our lives is called WISDOM and you would be smart to learn from our (or your parents) mistakes. James
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Mon May 21 10:03:07 2001
Hi again James- I don't think Zack and Brian (Chonk) are especially indicative of the youth of today. My kids would be able to carry on intelligent discussions here, on a variety of topics. They wouldn't feel the need to insult or act so foolish. Neither would their friends, so I'm not taking any credit. :) I think most of todays youth are far better mannered than the two we have here, shooting of their mouths. If we ignore them, maybe they'll a)go away or b)start participating on a mature level. My fingers are crossed! Off to the gym I go... :)
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 21 09:56:23 2001
Boy I leave for a Girl Scout camping trip this past weekend and all hell breaks loose. It looks like you guys had Zack, and Chump well under control. I just love these new grads and their attempt at an intelligent discussion. As for the comment about a us having a life, We all do. Most of us are married, have jobs, and have kids. Guess what Zack some of us even have kids about your age, so we do understand you better that you know. This knowledge comes from living and experiencing life and it is called WISDOM.
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 21 09:21:34 2001
Bill, let's hook something up e-mail me some detials and I'll work on getting up to Barstow. O' Joy Barstow. :) As for the guy I was talking about, He'll be one of the officers evaluating you at the national training center. He's on the fast track and putting in his time there is suppose to get him there faster. I think he's a west point guy, not sure. But I'll tell you this his mom and dad are smart people. The kinda people NASA calles when they need something desinged in Plastics.
From: Bill Sanders (1981) on Mon May 21 08:48:16 2001
Rich, I don't leave until Friday. You are more than welcome to come for a visit to lovely Barstow. I should be free on the 20th of June.:-) Do you know where this intell officer is stationed. If he is here at FT Stewart I'll probably run into him some time.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 21 08:23:57 2001
Tony, which side of the park entrance? As I recall if your facing looking into the park on your right was the Hayes’s and on the left were the O’Neill’s. Did you live there before either one of them? Also maybe you remember my brother Bob Weeks we lived two doors down from the park. Ok all, maybe Tony has a point. Let’s get on with or postings, it’s obvious that we disagree and that were not going anywhere. Val, Chonk is young and needs to learn however, he is to bent on winning this argument to listen. I wish it were the other way but he will just continue until he feels like he has won. Chonk, Val has a good point. If you have something to say like the prom thing or someone’s accident or bomb scare post it. You might find we can offer you a wealth of good advice. Hey we even have some experience with bomb scares when we were in school don’t we Bret? I would say one thing, the board was sent up for Alumni and although current school info is important why would you think you would find the current prom king and queen on an alumni board? Doesn’t make sense. Aloha!
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 21 08:04:28 2001
Bill thought you were out getting shot at this month? Keep your head down. Oh, and if you meet an intel officer with the last name Drew. He's not really a bad guy, I know his dad. Good kid.
From: Tony Carstens (1962) on Mon May 21 08:00:48 2001
First to Alan Walti (62); I remember your name but can't quite place you. My folks divorced right after I got out of high school, I entered the Army, and all my personal belongings got tossed. So I have no old year books to refresh my memory on who's who. Memory... probably old age setting in too. Moving on. Others of you have talked about the top of the hill, at the top of Crest Road. As a kid, I lived in the house next door to what is now the entrance to Alta Loma Park (there was a house sitting in that driveway and parking lot back then). I also went to Hillside Elementary (Class of 1958). And by the way, SHS Class of 62, for you history buffs, was the first class to spend its entire four years at SHS. The classes of 60 and 61 both attended old Torrance High for a year or two before moving on to South. Zack, Valerie and others: You ought to quit sniping (and snipping) at each other. It's not becoming to any of you. Lastly, I wonder if there'll be a reunion for the Class of 62 in '02 next year? I've missed them all, although I did attend my Wife's SHS Class of 66 20 year reunion a decade and a half ago. Hmmm.... Later! Tony
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 21 08:00:36 2001
Zack, I got it. It's not a bad address if you got a message otherwise I'm sorry.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Mon May 21 07:51:56 2001
Chonk: You wrote "School-related posts aren't important enough for the school-related board? Hmm.. are you sure you're at the right board, Valerie? Chonk" This inferred support for Zacks words. Did I misinterpret? I doubt it. When I quoted Zack, you thought I was attacking you, so you clearly hadn't even read the discussion, and yet you sure put in your two cents! If you did NOT support Zack, then you wouldn't have bothered smart mouthing me, would you? And I don't believe anyone here say "we're older, so your opinion doesn't matter". What was said is basically "Majority Rules" we have a bunch of people here that have been using the space provided for exactly what is was intended for: TALKING TO OTHER SHS ALUMNI. Then some bratty guy shows up, calls us names, attacks our posts as "petty" and "unimportant" and all because he wanted to know who won Prom Court.. and yet he never even ASKED THE QUESTION! When you showed up with your frivolous post, no one attacked YOU did they? Did anyone say "You IDIOT! We don't want to hear about your stupid website!" Did anyone say "Listen, Little boy, that's not school related! Go Away!" No. The point is, Chonk, this is NOT Zack's website, or your's or Bills or Mine, or Kevins. It's for SHS Alumni, and we're NOT going to stop posting to eachother just cause you and Zack or anybody has a hissy. You want to post about your "music" go ahead. If Zack wants to post and Travis, or Prom or whatever, fine, but DO NOT try to tell us what we can and cannot or SHOULD not be discussing. We don't give a rat's behind if you think it's relevant or not.. and you can't wave your arms and make us dissappear, so you might as well join in or shut up. We don't need an argument Kiddo, we're right, and you haven't a leg to stand on.
From: Chonk () on Mon May 21 07:23:30 2001
Valarie, perhaps YOU need to "READ THE POSTS." Once you do so, I'd like you to quote me defending Zack for his "actions and words." Can you do that for me? Thanks. Do any of you have a better arguement than "We're older than you, so your opinion is invalid. So, go away, little kids?" You call us immature, yet your best arguements are simply mocking Zack and calling him names ("loser," "immature," "little man"). Jesus.. how "immature." "Grow up" guys. Chonk
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Mon May 21 06:35:13 2001
Chonk, you're obviously not "with the program". I suggest that before you get involved with a discussion, you actually read what is going on. You defended Zack for his actions and words, but when I called attention TO those actions and words you thought I was accusing YOU of them?!? READ THE POSTS, Chonk. (BTW you're entitled to your opinion about your..umm...amusing website. I'm sure it's a big hit with other little kids) And you. poor Zack, you ,ight think our discussions here are petty and unimportant, but it seems it's your poor little opinion compared to that of so many others, so tough luck, Kid. As for them being unrelated, unrelated to WHAT? If we're having a conversation about adoption, then our view points aren't unrelated. Maybe you need a Theasaurus. Maybe you need more than that, I don't know.. but what I do know if that your little hissy fits are not going to make anyone stop talking about whatever we feel like talking about, so you might as well just yes "Yes Ma'am" and go away, OR try apologizing for your behavior and get involved on the board with those of us who post regularly. Like Kelly said, where is your post about Prom? About the Bomb scare? About Travis' accident? You think that the fact we talk about politics is responisble for the fact that other kids don't post? Yeah, right.
From: Kelly Carll Scott (1980) on Mon May 21 05:24:03 2001
Zack -- Did anyone post about Travis' accident or the bomb scare? If so, I missed it. If not, why not? That's exactly the kind of stuff that seems to be missing from this site. Real news from students still going to SHS. Believe me, if you opened a discussion here with "Say, we recently had a bomb scare at school," people would respond. Some of us older alumni would love to know the kinds of things you deal with at school. It runs the gamut -- who won prom king and queen to how worried you are that a Columbine could happen in Torrance. You seem to me pretty articulate compared with the usual posts here from people your age ("North sux," etc.). And since we older alumni are not going to leave the site, why not try to steer it into other directions by posting stuff you care about and then seeing what happens?
From: Bill Armijo (68) on Mon May 21 03:28:22 2001
I sense a bit of immature hostility on the part of Zack, perhaps it could be likend to a " Little mans complex " amd a desire to control what takes place here. I rather like Valerie and her astute evaluation and interpretation of Zacks cavalier statements. Try to Live Aloha , Zack ------or perhaps it would be prudent for you to--------read the book " How to win friends and influence people " either would be most productive in enhancing the severe deficiet in your social skills.
From: Bill Sanders (1981) on Mon May 21 02:33:47 2001
I think I must of had a bad dream. I heard that Rev. Al Sharpton was going to run for president. Somebody wake me up and tell me it's not true.
From: Bill Sanders (1981) on Mon May 21 02:31:26 2001
Boy oh boy, I guess I missed all the fun. All I can say is that I enjoy all the discussion about what's going on in the world and it is nice to get the opinions of others with different view points. I think that this is the right place to have those discussions. I'm to busy with my life to sit in a chat room. To all those recent graduates, please feel free to add to the discussions. We are interested in what you have to say.
From: Thomas Morgan (none) on Sun May 20 21:09:25 2001
Does anyone remember a girl named Carolee McNeil. I use to party with her a lot though I didn't go to your school She had a couple of brothers Mike, Tim, and Christian.
From: Zack (2000) on Sun May 20 19:55:39 2001
As for VBA... I'm not saying don't try and debate with people or have friends, I'm just saying don't bring your petty, unimportant, completely out of context viewpoints here. to the south high message board where things like Prom King and Queen should be posted the day after prom. Things like Travis' accident. The bomb scare, you guys probably don't know of these things because you're talking about president Bush and what he's doing/not doing for our "free world", and while I think it's important, save it for the Email box. Poor Little Me.
From: chonk () on Sun May 20 19:55:00 2001
That last post was aimed at Val.
From: Chonk (2002) on Sun May 20 19:53:58 2001
When did I ever post anything criticizing your unrelated posts? I criticized the fact that you implied school-related posts were not important. Chonk P.S. chonkland.com IS better than you.
From: zack (2000) on Sun May 20 19:53:35 2001
that was the email I sent to Rich, but that was a fulty email address
From: Zack (2000) on Sun May 20 19:52:50 2001
Did you think I wouldn't reply? All I'm trying to do is set things right..... the board needs to be a place for alumni to contact eachother initally all other convo needs to take place privatly otherwise the board gets cluttered (as it is now) and messages get lost. That's all I'm trying to say. If you want to attack ME.... then feel free..... but if I don't hold a flame to Kev then how come he ran out of the room?
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (1981) on Sun May 20 19:43:00 2001
Yes, Chonk, I'm on the right board. What I SAID was that who won Prom Queen or King was certainly (and I used sarcasm to make my point) WAAAY more important than what other alumni wished to discuss! Please! Do you see the white words underneath the little pencils up above? It says "Feel free to read the messages, or leave one for your fellow alumni." It does NOT say "Feel free to ridicule other alumni's messages, call them "sad saps" or accuse them of trying to make themselves "look" smart." It does NOT say "Please make posts that say Chonkland is better than you" (Notice no one attacked you for THAT post, which was HARDLY school related. You had a right to post whatever you wanted! I even checked out your "amusing" site.) It does NOT say "Posts on this board are limited to certain aspects of alumnis lives" So who is on the wrong board? If you want to post about Chonkland, GO FOR IT! But if some bratty child is going to come on here and attack other alumnists just cause he feels like having a hissy fit, he's GOING to be reprimanded for it. It's a pity he was never taught to respect his elders or be polite in the first place, isn't it?
From: Rich (1981) on Sun May 20 19:42:12 2001
Hi kev, nice to hear from you. Wow, long time no hear. Naaaa. this isn't going to work. Late Kev. Yak at ya later
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Sun May 20 19:39:04 2001
Hey Kev, I didn’t abandon you. I went to see what that little weasel Zack was talking about. Sorry you left the room. Anyway Zack you and your little playmate conk or chonk whatever it’s name was from the year 2000 should really be careful choosing who you attack. Neither one of you can hold a candle to Kev or Val. Maybe different people feel differently about this room, have you ever thought about that? And we asked Byon if he felt our postings were a problem and asked for the possibility of two message boards. We did not get a reply. Now as for your so called important message maybe you should worry about your school work or get a job or something cause your message was nothing more than a cheap shot at other people. You want to debate this off the board I’m right here little man. Just click on the name and e-mail. Other wise maybe you should learn a little respect or did someone forget to teach you what that is.
From: Chonk () on Sun May 20 19:26:38 2001
School-related posts aren't important enough for the school-related board? Hmm.. are you sure you're at the right board, Valerie? Chonk
From: Chonk (2002) on Sun May 20 19:21:51 2001
Jenny Cummings won queen.. I forget who won king.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Sun May 20 19:19:42 2001
"Hi, I'm Kevin from the class of 1981 - would like to hear how others from the class of 1981 are doing?" Hey Zack/Chonk, is this what you had in mind?
From: valerie burton appleton (1981) on Sun May 20 19:09:34 2001
hahahhahahahahahh!!! You poor thing, Zack! In over your head! You attacked, referred to others here as "sad saps" and accused people of trying to prove themselves smarter than others all because you wanted to know who won PROM TITLES!? That, for certain, is waaaay more important than debating political standpoints, or discussing matters of importance with other intelligent people whom you might learn something from, or teach something to! As for the addresses, ours are indeed posted, and you're welcome to write me if you like. It won't change my opinion, however, that you're a bratty little boy that would rather have a fit than a conversation. That, dear child, is YOUR loss. BTW, I have no need to make myself "seem" smart. There is no illusion about it, and if you bothered to read the posts here rather than complaining, if you'd get involved and take part in the discussions you mock, you would have known that by now! Oh well, too bad for poor little you!
From: Zack (2000) on Sun May 20 18:45:21 2001
I came on today to found out who won Prom King and Queen and have found, instead, people knocking my post, taking everything I said completely out of context. KEvin, I never said anyone who posted here over 10 times is a Loser, you're the one that used that word because I dunno, maybe you have a complex with it. and Valerie, why would I want to be friends with someone who finds that the best way to prove a point is by mocking the person you are debating with? So heres what I have to say, I used to come on here all the time to check to see if other people I know post (See Alan's post directly underneath this one), I've since stopped doing so because they did not. Every once in a while I like to check back just incase, but even if they DID post, I wouldn't be able to find the post because you egotistical head cases feel the need to pollute the board with verbose manuscript. So Valerie and Kevin..... both from the class of 1981, if you would like to contact me directly, if you have something to say to ME instead of trying to make yourself seem smar then please do Nuttymong@aol.com, you people don't leave your email addresses because? Oh yeah, right, you don't like clutter in your mailboxes...... Silly Me.
From: Zack (2000) on Sun May 20 18:44:36 2001
I came on today to found out who won Prom King and Queen and have found, instead, people knocking my post, taking everything I said completely out of context. KEvin, I never said anyone who posted here over 10 times is a Loser, you're the one that used that word because I dunno, maybe you have a complex with it. and Valerie, why would I want to be friends with someone who finds that the best way to prove a point is by mocking the person you are debating with? So heres what I have to say, I used to come on here all the time to check to see if other people I know post, I've since stopped doing so because they did not. Every once in a while I like to check back just incase, but even if they DID post, I wouldn't be able to find the post because you egotistical head cases feel the need to pollute the board with verbose manuscript. So Valerie and Kevin..... both from the class of 1981, if you would like to contact me directly, if you have something to say to ME instead of trying to make yourself seem smar then please do Nuttymong@aol.com, you people don't leave your email addresses because? Oh yeah, right, you don't like clutter in your mailboxes...... Silly Me.
From: Alan Walti (1962) on Sun May 20 07:19:18 2001
LOST IN THE 60'S. Where are all of those 60's graduates? They might be too busy enjoying their retirements to post messages on this site. Fire up those keyboards and let's hear from you. "Apecall" still lost in Redondo Beach.
From: Valerie Burton-Appleton (1981) on Sun May 20 05:55:42 2001
Ha! hahahahah!! Gud Wun, Kevin. It seemz that Zack is alzo anuther of thoz little kidz that iz primarily (is that too big a word? Should I go with "mainly"?) interested in making postz that stay here for weekz at a time just in CASE someone should stop by to read them. Could it be that he is trying to make NEW friends becuz hiz big condescending attitude kept him from finding any hiz age in High School? I love this part of his message best: ..."unless you have a message like THIS, then don't leave a message" Wow. Thatz phat, dude! We'll only write stupid, misspelled cuss words to eachother from now on. And to think guys, by the time we hit 35, we thought we'd learned something from our good jobs and families and college educations and experience.. and yet we STILL need a child like Zack to tell us what to do. Silly us.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Sat May 19 19:50:55 2001
Zack, the only Loser posting here is you -(Put an "L" sign on your forehead and look into a mirror) You say anyone who has posted more than ten times has no life, what do you do for a living? It appears you spend your time checking out who is posting and not - I hope that pays well. I guess we should check with you to see how many more times we can post before we go into "Zack's little black book of 10 posters..." Get a life, Zack, and stop trying to rain on other's freedom of speech...
From: Zack (2000) on Sat May 19 18:34:12 2001
anyone who has posted on the alumni board more than 10 times and finds themself talking about something completely out of context with the meaning of this website (which is to meet with other alumni, not to debate over petty chit) then you need to exchange contact info with the people you talk to most on here and continue private conversations privatly because to me, it seems like you're all sad saps who have little to do then wake up and run right to the computer to see who replied to your latest post. In the meantime people that want to get in touch with people they might know can't because this board has become so Phucking cluttered that it's hard, really hard to sort through, this isn't a chat room it is a SOUTH HIGH SCHOOL ALUMNI MESSAGE BOARD so unless you have a message (like this) then don't leave a message..... don't people believe in the phone? It seems to me like certain people are just trying to prove themselves smarter than others with different opinions.
From: Rich (1981) on Fri May 18 16:29:48 2001
Kev, Yes & Yes.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Fri May 18 16:17:06 2001
Rich, funny thing about when we noticed "Dogs" were there. We used to go up there every Friday night, free of police or any other intrusion on our good time. One Friday, John Maxell, unfortunately, no longer with us, who was the most agile, climed the fence as we handed him our "goodies" Once he hopped over the fence and began down the hill, we heard faint barking in the distance - then I saw him, literally, climb the fence with one hand and carry the "goodies" under his other arm and make if over - just before the dogs barked and came up to the fence, showing us their teeth and foamy mouths....What a night - after that, we avoided the golf course....Now, Rich, I assume you're talking about the golf course behind Alto Loma park on top of Crest Road, Torrance? (The other crest road on the hill likes to be distinguished from Torrance's) Was Hillside school the one that Coast Christian school used? Now it's no longer there and houses stand...
From: Rich (1981) on Fri May 18 15:16:32 2001
hey are we on for the chat area this sunday at 7pm PST?
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Fri May 18 15:12:35 2001
Glad you liked it James! Hey anyone from the "The Hill" as Aprille I call it out there? Or for that matter anyone who attended Hillside say hi. I know you now what I'm talking about Kev. Oh and it wasn't gaurd dogs, it was prob. princes the German shepard that lived next to the park that chased you off.
From: James (1980) on Fri May 18 13:54:20 2001
Rich, good post. I especially liked your last line, "Stop insulting us" is right on target. I guess that is why I am a Libertarian / Conservative and not a Democrat. (Here I go) I wish the politicians (both sides) would stop promising us everything under the sun. Then just get deeper in our pockets to pay for their "Promise". To bad there is no bounty on them. haha. Side note: My daughter, just this morning asked about who pays for all these things (utilities, roads etc.) I told her that we do through our taxes and then she asked why the Gov. does not pay for our living expenses. Boy what a question. Basically I told her that we have to work for this (she is only 8). I also told her that some people don't want to work (Not all. I know some have problems and that is another topic)and that these people would rather take money for not working and live a subsidized life with not a care in the world. But we (us) want to work in something we like to do and to work to have a nice house and the things you "need" for life. Just a thought. James
From: Rich (1981) on Fri May 18 10:43:59 2001
Ok, you guys should love this. I’m listening to an ad on the radio this morning and the guy is telling everyone how great this place is to go and buy used office furniture and stuff. Anyway, he says, you don’t have to worry about a thing, well appraise it for you and you can do your purchases right on line. I’m thinking oh my gosh, can you really (sarcasm) Gee, where else can I go and trust some to have my best interest a heart and not hose me on the price. Hummmmm! It’s like those no haggle car dealers; we have the best price already for you. You don’t have to deal. WOW you do. (Sarcasm again) I ask you fellow SHS graduates when are we going to say enough is enough. Stop insulting our intelligence and quick trying to manipulate our lives.
From: Aprille Lipton (Collins) (1981) on Fri May 18 10:18:14 2001
Rich, you're correct, it was Ron. So, I'm geeting old, what can I say. They do say the memory is the first thing to go! :) Dave, you mentioned Sue and Lisa Rucks. Does anyone here still keep in touch with them? They were both really neat people, but Sue and I actually became close after high school. I'd love to say hello. Last time I saw her she was about to marry Mike - can't remember his last name (also from "the Hill").
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Thu May 17 11:12:31 2001
Well I guess I didn't miss much did I? That's what I get for being sick a few days. Hey Dave, on the last name thing. Isn't Robin's brother named Ron?
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Thu May 17 09:37:32 2001
I think the officer in question was a part of a vast Demlib conspiracy (HA!). No the president of the United States should not have dropped everything to run down to Texas and babysit his daughter during the legal processing. Kids will be kids. I got into worse when I was younger, and I personally don't think it's a big deal. As for the cop, well good for him. No one should be above the law....not even Numero Uno's kids.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Thu May 17 08:16:01 2001
I think that the cop was just doing his job. She is, after all, away at school doing what we all did. Should have Bush left the White House and gone down to Texas to support her? I heard this statement on a talk radio show.
From: Bill (68) on Thu May 17 00:21:25 2001
Your right Dave , there was a cop with more balls than brains..Imagine the conversation he must of had with the Secret Service after he and they realized exactly what size pile of Bandini they had both managed to jump into . Them for not being on top of the situation enoughto have intervened in time to have prevented " an incident on their watch" and him for more than likely not beleiving her when she told him exactly who she was , because you know that conversation happened because he had to write it down along with her address.....duh 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue , Washington D.C. So , either the cop was wrapped like a soup sandwich - or - he was trying to become famous. Hey , but good to know that the Pres.has a regular all american teenager........got a brewski ?? This Buds for you. What a hoot !!
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