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From: James Kalinski (1980) on Fri Jun 15 09:20:07 2001
Marcy we all know that people generally do not say anything when it goes well, so all you hear is the negative feed back. I thought the reunion party went well. I have said this in the past. The problem is that the 80 reunion committee decided to do this there was no (I mean NO) contact with any other grads, so what can you expect. I went to the reunion see some old friends and to that extent I was satisfied. Believe me when I say the "book" is not that important and I will file it accordingly. James
From: VBA (81) on Thu Jun 14 19:20:50 2001
Hey Monica- I'll bet you're the first one from our class to make Mother In Law status! Congratulations to Christopher and his bride! See you next month!
From: Monica (Cilva) Root ('81) on Thu Jun 14 18:18:33 2001
A news update. My son Christopher tied the knot this weekend. We had a wonderful backyard wedding at our house. Everything was just perfect. I just can't believe that my son is married! He is now off to boot camp in Kentucky and will then be off to culinary technical school in Virginia. Of course my son got the pick of the litter on his station. He will be spending at least three of his six year stint in Hawaii! Aloha. See you all in a month!
From: Rich (81) on Thu Jun 14 12:42:51 2001
Don't be upset Marcy, I don't think anyone holds you personally responsible. I can see how you may feel that way because the posted remarks are directed at you but it’s only because you posted a comment. Where else are they supposed to direct their remarks? As for dropping it, I would imagine it’s going to be around for a while, but I’m sure James & VBA are done. I know this is probably going to be my last comment on it unless some one strikes a nerve or something.
From: Rich (81) on Thu Jun 14 12:19:05 2001
Geez, I guess Marcy's upset! From: Marcy Batza (80) on Thu Jun 14 12:14:47 2001 If you didn't like the books, call CCR and request your money back. That is all I can say. We all tried our best to accomodate those attending, make it a fun, memorable night and all we've heard is negative comments. If you weren't satisfied, all I can say is I'm sorry. Now can you all just move on for God's sake? I would hope you have better things in your life to do than worry about THIS any longer!
From: Marcy Batza (80) on Thu Jun 14 12:14:47 2001
If you didn't like the books, call CCR and request your money back. That is all I can say. We all tried our best to accomodate those attending, make it a fun, memorable night and all we've heard is negative comments. If you weren't satisfied, all I can say is I'm sorry. Now can you all just move on for God's sake? I would hope you have better things in your life to do than worry about THIS any longer!
From: Rich (81) on Thu Jun 14 10:51:36 2001
Fellow alumni, remember this when planning a reunion. Where did you go to school? Half the fun of the reunion is coming home an seeing how thigs have changed and visiting places you remember. So keep that in mind when you plan your reunion.
From: VBA (81) on Thu Jun 14 10:05:31 2001
One further thought.. A planning company like CCR does a LOT more than simply produce memorybooks. It seems to me however, that this is only thing anyone has had to gripe about. If the rest of the production went well, than that says something about CCR.. and maybe ought to be considered when deciding who is to blame for sub-standard memorybooks. Remember, the 80 reunion committee also tried to plan the reunion in Orange County, for Pete's sake.. clearly, their opinions on things didn't mesh well with a lot of their classmates..
From: VBA (81) on Thu Jun 14 10:01:03 2001
Shannon- we're using CCR and we're VERY happy with them. There are two sides to every story, and Marcie's side is the only one represented here. Let's just say I've heard something a lot different than what she says. I don't mean to imply that Marcie is being dishonest, just that she might not have all the facts. Our experience is that the Reunion Planning company is only as good as the input it receives. In our case, we on the SHS81 Reunion committee have been quite involved and the results thus far have been highly satisfactory. CCR is not the only planning company, there are many, and a lot of folks are very happy with the results they produce, SHS81 included.
From: Shannon (83) on Thu Jun 14 08:15:19 2001
Why are classes with upcoming reunions still using CCR? Are they the only company that does this sort of thing? Who decides on with company to use.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Wed Jun 13 09:02:33 2001
Marcy, I have moved on. The book is of little importance to me. The book is not the issue here, CCR told all who called that their were waiting for pages from the committee, and you said the samething to me as well. Now you said that CCR was supposed to send the committee these pages back for editing, what "month" was this? When I am asked by others about the book I will inquire. Don't forget I never started this, as I have told you before, and this is not an attack. CCR told me one thing and now you are telling us that it is CCR's fault. Hey for $15 I really don't care. If it cost 15 dollars per ticket then why don't I have 2 books? After all my wife went as well. As for volunteering to be on the committee? After what was said to me? Please. Now Marcy I am not blaming anyone, mistakes have been made and the next time maybe we can avoid these same mistakes. Marcy maybe we can ask for more input next time before decisions are made.
From: Richard Weeks (81) on Wed Jun 13 08:16:51 2001
Nope can’t let this go Marcy. I think James and everyone else in your class has the right to complain if they want to. Plus I’m getting tired of people telling others what they can and can not put on this board. Unless your name is Byon, you do not have that right. These are SHS related issues and per previous debates & resolutions, this is the page to post them on. Now we class of 81 was screwed on our 10 year memory book, we paid for it and never got it. Overall, I think you all should consider yourselves lucky you got anything. By the way I went by the reunion office yesterday to drop off my money for the up coming class of 81 reunion and let me tell you I was not impressed by there offices. I’m not surprised you got what you got.
From: Valerie Burton Appleton (81) on Wed Jun 13 06:44:56 2001
Mark! Hey buddy!! The situation on the memory books won't apply to our class reunion, trust me. Make sure you get one, cause they're going to be awesome!
From: James King (1990) on Tue Jun 12 19:30:29 2001
hey whats going on? I see there's alot of complains about the memory books. I was wondering what you guys think of your annual year book? damn think cost liek 80 bucks and half the time it's pretty crappy. I've seen alot of yearbooks and well, lets just say that South High can improve on things besides automatic flush bathroom.
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Tue Jun 12 18:08:27 2001
Marcy, I don't want to harp on this, but just want to set the record straight: I paid $18 for that memory book, not $7. For the memories alone it was worth eighteen bucks. Enough said.
From: Mark Gregory (1981) on Tue Jun 12 16:39:54 2001
So the books aren't too hip eh? Thanks for the heads up.
From: Marcy Batza () on Tue Jun 12 15:56:18 2001
Ok, James. This is the last time I am going to try to explain this. As far as I am concerned, this whole memory book thing is taking up much too much space on this web site, and in some people's lives. Again- A member of the committee was going to use the photos that CCR had taken and make the candid pages look good. I agree it took a while so that is when I got involved. I wanted to help. Wanda was going to put the photos on the candid sheets then send the entire thing for me to proof (names, spelling, puctuation, etc.) but when I called after a couple of weeks after not having received it she said she had changed her mind and would just go ahead with what they had done. It needed editing, obviously, and I was disappointed not to get a chance to look it over. I am sorry that it didn't meet your expectations, but for $7.00 what do you expect? I guess if you wanted or expected more perhaps you could have volunteered to do it for the committee. I think it is time to forget about it, move on, and just remember what a nice evening it was. How about it?
From: VBA (81) on Tue Jun 12 11:23:05 2001
The Orange County thing WAS pretty funny, wasn't it?
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Tue Jun 12 09:52:43 2001
Marcy, I have talked to you about this book as well as CCR as have many others. What CCR told us was that they were waiting for pages from “The Committee” and that they have waited several months for these pages to be put together and sent back to CCR. Marcy, if CCR was waiting for the “pages” from the committee for many months, how could they edit those pages and resubmit them to the "Committee" then wait several more months for revisions? CCR did publish what they had. CCR was being called by a lot of people concerning the “Book” they had no choice. Now if you had no part in this I understand, but the total lack of concern and of time is the issue here. I cannot believe that 8 months is not enough time to put together a few pages for a Memory book. The fact that CCR had to (after 7 months) put this book together, and it looks like it does tells me one of two things: 1) CCR is derelict in their duty or 2) The people in charge of putting these pages together have dropped the ball. Only the ones responsible for these pages should be held accountable. I understand that doing something like this would be difficult if the people have to meet via e-mail, letters etc. I know that we all have a life and our Families will take a priority. Marcy what I have said is not directed toward anyone specific. Then why do you ask that I should respond in such a manner? This is why: I have been accused of Lying and have had rumors floated about my family, and me. All I did was ask one question? Why was the reunion going to be held in Orange County? And by asking that question I was written to, by several people since have attacked me through E-mail. As for the delay and the quality of the books, the RC should have looked into this before the reunion. I have posted my e-mail for those concerned. James. This is not an attack on anyone, just an observation.
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Tue Jun 12 07:16:26 2001
Thank you, Marcy. I was anticipating seeing pictures of the people I've lost touch with over the years, and so many of them were missing from the memory book. I appreciate all that you and the other committee members did for the reunion and the memory book. I just wish it hadn't taken so long to get something that seemed thrown together at the last minute.
From: Marcy Batza (80) on Mon Jun 11 09:57:39 2001
Just a little information on the memory book... Creative Class Reunions put the entire book together. The reunion committee did not even preview it even to check for errors (which were many.)It was actually to be sent to me but when I called to follow up to find out where it was they said they just went ahead with what they had. CCR had a photographer there who ran out of film very early on which may explain the very limited photos from the evening. (The committee did not have other photos to include because we expected them to take care of all of that.) I expected the updates on all those who sent the sheet in and was also VERY surprised that they weren't there. As for the letter in the front, I don't know who wrote that. It was a nice sentiment though. I am sorry for the disappointment surrounding the book. As part of that committee, I feel it too. Maybe at the 30 year we should do it a little differently. Experience is the best teacher.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Thu Jun 7 09:08:24 2001
Hi there! You are all cordially invited to come on over and check out the SHS Roundtable. A message board where an open discussion on any topic you like is welcome, or if you prefer just join in on one of the many that are now going on. Hope to see you there!
From: James (1980) on Wed Jun 6 09:03:06 2001
VBA, I am not putting any blame on the reunion company until I have heard all the facts. Trust me I would blame who ever was in charge for putting together a (in my opinion) a substandard book. The book reminded me of my jr. high book. But all of this is water under the bridge as of now. But the first page explains it all for me. There I go again.
From: VBA (81) on Wed Jun 6 08:31:37 2001
As I understood the situation, the Reunion Planning Committee was to be responsable for the book for the book.. but they never turned in all the pages. My understanding was that eventually, Wanda (At Creative Reunions) just made the book up with what she had. I could be wrong, but I thought that was the story.. If so, she shouldn't take the blame.. one of you Class Of 80 people should investigate, though. Afterall, you did pay for the book, and you should know why it's substandard.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Wed Jun 6 07:58:39 2001
Kelly, The book was just a "tad" disapointing to me as well. But Kelly it only took 8 months and I am sure the committee was pain-stakingly going over every detail. There I go again stirring the old pot. Well what can I say, the book speak for it's self.
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Wed Jun 6 06:38:27 2001
I finally got the 20-year reunion memory book. We waited eight months for that? For all the people who couldn't attend the reunion there were only four photos? I remember filling out a one-page form about high-school memories and what grads are doing now. Those forms were not incorporated into the book other than addresses of alumni. There were glaring punctuation errors in the opening letter. Sorry to sound like I'm nit-picking, but is it too much to ask for a class-reunion organizer to have an editor on staff? All in all it was pretty disappointing. Maybe it took so long that it was too much anticipation for me.
From: Uncle Yacksworth (80) on Tue Jun 5 09:17:34 2001
Howdy everybody
From: b (e) on Tue Jun 5 09:16:30 2001
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From: john dalton (82) on Sun Jun 3 19:02:19 2001
way behind the times here. just got the computer out of the shop about a week ago and had to bribe the teenager to let the old man on:) first of all, dave oh mighty older brother, a trip to farrells huh. rock candy huh. need i remind thee of your diabetes!!!!!!!!!!! miss you bro. and who was that who posted mrs. benfur's name. that's like saying beetlejuice 3 times man. dave, talked with jim yanders about a month ago saw him at one of the casinos here i believe he saaid that erik is teaching bacck east. as for what i listen to and what my son (15) listens to. it's a mix. just last week he went to a concert festival here in vegas called summer jam. none of the 12 acts used live music, it was all prerecorded. on of the acccts performed for only 15 minutes. now i know that im old and all, but i aam glad that i was able to take him (yes willingly- even eagarly) to a grateful dead concert before garcia died. he loved it. time to go now sorry again about all the old aanswers. love to all
From: VBA (81) on Sun Jun 3 06:14:40 2001
Thanks, EMT, for making me feel much better. I figured that Kristi was probably alright once we'd acertained that it was Kristi Ross who had passed away, but nevertheless, it's good to be certain.
From: EMT (91) on Sun Jun 3 04:05:09 2001
KRISTI NAIR IS ALIVE AND WELL LIVING IN TORRANCE WITH HER BOY FRIEND. SHE GRADUATED IN 83-84, FROM SOUTH.
From: Zack (2000) on Sat Jun 2 22:35:41 2001
Steph.... I don't think the changing of the guard will hinder any school's economic development, and it's only one staff member. While John O' Brien is a great principal, I'd like to see the way other principals handle South High's matters.... as far as Mr. O'B going to other schools and handling their situations.... all I can say is that the kids at Torrance will love him and I think he'll shape that school up a little bit. And maybe some of the harsher rules on other schools brought to South will improve some of the situations. I think it's always good to get a new perspective of issues... I think next year kids will think they can get away with murder, and then murder and get really dire consequences because the new principals will fell the need to express their authority. We'll see what happens.
From: Stephanie Rhodes (2001) on Sat Jun 2 21:47:44 2001
Kelly-- Plank gave no reason for this change to the school, or to their pricipals (as fall as I can tell from speaking to ours). North High's pricipal is retiring form his positon, so instead of simply replacing him with a new princpal, Plank decided to switch aroung all of Torrance Schools, with the exception of West High who's only had their principal for 1/2 a year. I believe (from recent experience of recieving a new Activities Director) that the school will have to go through at least an entire year of policy change, and uneccessary disruption of flow by this change. I don't think that any of the principals will be a bad influence on their new schools, I believe tat they are all very good at what they do, and would take very good care of their schools. But at this time, when there is an increase in school violence (specifically shootings) across the nation, I believe it would only benefit to keep administrators where they know the students best. As far as I know, there are no problems with the administration and it's students at either of the schools where this change is taing place, so it is simply unneccessary, and a burden to the students to have to get used to a new principal, and vice versa. I beleive that the changing of principals is unwise, and would only hinder the schools' performance.
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Sat Jun 2 05:57:16 2001
Stephanie -- What is the reason Plank gave for the reorganization? And how do you think the schools will suffer as a result?
From: Stephanie (2001) on Fri Jun 1 23:17:48 2001
Hi! I'm a senior at Torrance High School, and I was just recently informed that Superintendent Plank Has just decided to rearrange the principals at the Torrance Schools. I don't think the decision was a good one, and I'm hoping I can get some support in trying to make it so that the Torrance schools do not have to suffer from a time of reorganization while the principals are reassigned from the schools they already love and lead so well. I hope to ear some feedback on this decision by the superintendent, who, as far as I can tell gave no reason behind this sudden bombshell. Thankyou
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Fri Jun 1 15:17:59 2001
Did anyone from the class of 81 have porter thier freshman year 1st semester? do you recall the sub that took pictures for Playboy?
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Fri Jun 1 12:50:29 2001
Hey Brian Reynolds, are you out there? Are you coming to the 20 year reunion? Would like to hear from you and how you' re doing.
From: Zack (2000) on Fri Jun 1 12:36:49 2001
Porter's EMAIL is condifdentail, just go to SHS, he's the man... he'll forgive u, he teaches techlonogy which has to do with computers.
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Fri Jun 1 10:56:41 2001
If you have you can E it to my by clicking on my post name. I promise not to spam him. Thanks
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Fri Jun 1 10:55:17 2001
I hear Mr. Porter is now teaching a computer course at SHS instead of Auto. Does anyone know if he has an E-address at school? I owe the guy an apology and i'd love to be able to say so to him.
From: VBA (81) on Fri Jun 1 06:29:47 2001
I doubt you'll find a adult on the board that thinks no homework, teaching kids that it's better to BS than admit you don't know and giving credit to kids sinply because they have a thought in their heads makes for a great teacher. (And believe me, the fact that he was an ass had nothing to do with the fact that he *considered himself* an actor.) Perhaps as the years went on he became less of a jerk than he was in 1978-1981, that's very possible. But he clearly didn't become a better educator. US HIstory is not a class you go to to learn about Eddie Veddar and annunciation. Nevertheless Pete, welcome to the discussion boards.. there is more stuff going on over on the roundtable board (see link above).
From: Pete (1999) on Thu May 31 20:45:19 2001
What's with all the negative Al Osburg stories? I think he is by far the greatest teacher I had at South. I had U.S. History with Mr. Osburg my junior year. There was never any homework except the two semester projects. Class was so simple; I don’t know how anyone could disagree. He would go strictly by the book. If you didn’t know the answer, his motto was to fabricate. Students would just sit there and said I don’t know. He loved to push people’s button and that’s what makes him so great. My five-minute presentation became fifteen minutes because he kept debating my ideas. Mr. Osburg just wanted people to speak, plain and simple. I remember my friend’s answer to a question was Eddie Veddar. He got credit for it because my friend had a thought in his mind. Sure, Mr. Osburg can be sort of an ass sometimes since he was an actor. But he pushes the students to annunciate the English language better.
From: Anne Proudfoot (1980) on Thu May 31 18:34:40 2001
James, I thought the same thing. I think the 10-year memory album had a bit more to it, but then again, I think there was a better turnout 10 years ago... It's a nice thing to have though....
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Thu May 31 07:46:13 2001
Anne, I got mine as well on wednesday. It seems a little disapointing considering the time it took to get them out.
From: Anne Proudfoot ('80) on Wed May 30 14:35:33 2001
Yep, got my memory album today (Wed., 5-30-01...).
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Wed May 30 08:43:04 2001
Any 80 grads get their books yet?
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 18:28:10 2001
Sorry, Kiddo, there are no "sides". The war is over, you missed the fun. Now instead of one hopping board there are two. Join the party!
From: Scourge (2001) on Tue May 29 18:07:13 2001
Well, I don't know about any of this, or what the big deal is (Who gives a sh*t about profanity, anyhow?), but I'm posting here because Chonk told me to. I'm on Zack's side. And don't answer him if he asks you if you like muffins.
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 17:54:29 2001
Ooh hoo! we are a witty bunch o' chatters, aren't we? These boards are rockin!! ;)
From: TLA () on Tue May 29 16:35:17 2001
Thank you VBA. Couldn't have said it better myself... :-)
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 16:27:40 2001
Or, you could have just asked Daddy to buy you the blue ribbon...
From: Perrius Maximus (1984) on Tue May 29 16:26:23 2001
Too funny James!
From: COD (1982) on Tue May 29 16:09:15 2001
JK - Well said!!!!!
From: JK (1980) on Tue May 29 15:47:18 2001
TLA, If I was Liberal I would have been able to blame the Racist, Greedy, Right Wing Conspiracy for the lack of fairness in the race, and had the coach fired and had reparations for the lack of fairness because of me being a "Polish-American" and their was not a fair representation of "Polish-Americans" in the race.
From: TLA () on Tue May 29 15:08:30 2001
JK, if you were more liberal you would have been able to do it under 4... ;-)
From: James (1980) on Tue May 29 15:06:48 2001
TLA, I figured I could have done it under 5 min but there was no competition then. Hindsight.
From: TLA (1974) on Tue May 29 14:41:07 2001
James, did you see that some high school kid in Oregon ran a 3:53 mile over the weekend? Broke a record that was set in 1965. He must have had a bunch of girls chasing him.
From: Rich (1981) on Tue May 29 14:33:45 2001
Val, they were the 100, 220, & Long Jump. I don’t recall which year.
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Tue May 29 14:27:27 2001
VBA... that's it, but I found the right Gal for me since 1985. I have made mistakes in my life...but this gal was right for me.
From: VBA (81 ) on Tue May 29 14:10:45 2001
You were probably trying to get away from all the gals that were always chasing you!! ;)
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Tue May 29 13:40:05 2001
RW, I did hold the record for the mile in my freshman year, I think the time was 5:04 or close to that.
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 13:16:42 2001
This board is for anything related to SHS Alumni. It says so up above. The Topic is fair game and the thread will be continued. I don't know the answer Rich, but I can find out! :) What were your records in, anyway?
From: Zack (2000) on Tue May 29 13:07:24 2001
Richard : "My last post here will be to cover one more issue that is public." you're a hypocrite. STFU.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 29 13:03:04 2001
Wait Val, I want to know. Matter of fact, do I still hold any records?
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 12:27:40 2001
James, I dunno know about YOU, but I couldn't care less! I do care, however, about hearing your memories from your HS days. What other teachers did you have?
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Tue May 29 11:49:36 2001
Ok to satisfy ZACK and Chonk(is my spelling correct) Who holds the record for the mile at SHS? Who was voted most funny/Class Clown this year? is this what you wanted?
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 11:40:33 2001
I had Mr. Lorenz for economics too, but although I know I liked him I can't say he impacted me much. Mr. Schwendemann did though. I thought he was really terrific.. I had him for Ancient History Honors and he took us to the King Tut exhibit. Wowowow.. that's all I can say.. anybody else go on that field trip?
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Tue May 29 11:19:00 2001
One of my favorite teachers was Mr. Lorenz for Econ. and Mr Wilson for Bio. He did teach evolution and creation. Now he would be fired for that.
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 09:45:59 2001
O.k... back to where we were earlier.. Kevvers, you said you thought Mr. Sweet was the cat's pajamas at SHS. Why was he so good? Who was horrid?
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Tue May 29 08:48:14 2001
Thank you Byon for the new board. I for one am transferring myself to the new roundtable board. My last post here will be to cover one more issue that is public. Zack I have tried to reason with you in the past on this board and privately via e-mail, I’ve treated you with respect and offered you what I thought was sound advice. However, you continue to amaze us all with your posts. So here is my last message on this board in the way of open discussions. Zack, do not ever and I repeat ever disrespect the women of South High Again on any of these boards. Your choices of words are inappropriate. It will not be tolerated by any of us. In addition, don’t give me this garbage about the first amendment.
From: VBA (81) on Tue May 29 04:43:04 2001
Psst, James... there is a new board for all of us to discuss your dittoheadedness! hahahah Come over the The Roundtable (see link above) Hugs-Val
From: James Kalinski (1980) on Mon May 28 21:43:29 2001
I just got back from a nice weekend in Monterey with my older brother and I have Kelly calling me a "ditto head" Kelly I am far from being a ditto head! I believe in smaller Government and less Government in our affairs. I have posted "Jabs" at our demLibs because of their hypocrisy in everyday life. Now I won't take this shot personally Kelly. I like to ascertain all peoples opinions and get their points of view. I you all do not agree with me so be it. I cannot help it if you are misdirected. haha. But Please you do me a disservice by calling me a "ditto head". James
From: VBA (81) on Mon May 28 20:28:30 2001
Thanks, Byon!! I know we all appreciate this! And Zack, let me say this, if you feel you've been attacked, maybe you need to ponder why that happened. I, for one, don't believe I've ever called you any names other than "little boy". You, on the other hand, used profanity when referring to me. Even that was after I made an observation that even you probably wouldn't have disagreed with had anyone else said it.. it simply ISN'T surprising that you disagree with my opinion, is it? And I post that, with a smile after it, for Pete's sake, I get called a vulgar name, AND attacked as "cold hearted" and "immature". You accuse me of "backhanding" you because I disagree with you, and yet you outright attack me. As far as I can see, you're incredibly ticked at me because I wouldn't just shut up and let you get the last word. Well, that's the way the cookie crumbles, Kiddo. You blasted a lot of us on here without any attempt to first let anyone know how you felt, you just attacked. Did we attack back? Yup. The problem was, it was you, and then you and Brian(Chonk), on one side of an issue, and almost everyone else on the other. So now you have your wish. You have a second board. And we'll all still be posting on both. Different topics, different boards. Provided you stop the smart alec attempts to tick people off, I'll be happy to steer clear of you if you're willing to do the same for me. Please understand what I just said. Play nice, and I'll stay off your corner of the playground. Maybe you can actually become a poster we all enjoy hearing from, who knows? So do you accept the truce? It's your call.
From: Byon (1986) on Mon May 28 19:58:14 2001
The roundtable page is now up!
From: Zack () on Mon May 28 19:29:56 2001
my response, I was hoping maybe somebody besides Byon could answer these questions.... Byon's a busy guy. Byon, when is the second board opening up and have you told people not to be insulting to me or have you only warned me? also define profane and provide a list of all the words I cannot use and explain why profanity is a big deal? Refer to article one of the constitution and tell me why this does not apply to the internet. I have been called a moron, a poor little kid, a loser, a weasel, I've been told my mmotives for my original post were everything as a last attempt to gain respect..... to just taking a quick jab at other alumni, I've been told to read books on how to win friends over, I've been called dumb over and over again..... so what are you going to do about that? Look at your board.... it's scattered with all sorts of dumb stuff... I urge you to take action.
From: Zack (2000) on Mon May 28 19:27:30 2001
this is the Letter I got from Byon, From: byon_@_byon_.com (Byon Garrabrant) To: nuttymong@aol.com Zack, Please do not post any further messages at www.southhigh.com containing name-calling, or profanity, even when quoting others. Also please do not post messages posing as someone else. I want to keep the southhigh.com web page a civil, public place, and do not want to have to ban any users. If you have any questions or problems, let me know. Thank you, Byon
From: Zack (2000) on Mon May 28 19:25:19 2001
TLA, stop being subliminal. Don't say that you're going to say something, say IT. KEvin, if a number of people kept attacking you, I think you'd be defensive too. As far as Valerie is concerned..... which is way too much. I'm done, I said what I needed to say. Daffy Duck says it best when he slobbers that D word. Rich, I have never been mad.... this is and has been one big joke from the getgo.... I don't care about any of you, I care about MY peers, who I try to keep a watchful eye on. I could care less if you're all yaking away and having a good time.... just don't do it here. I respect honesty, not cowardess.
From: Kevin Smith (1981) on Mon May 28 18:19:55 2001
Val, when Zack attacks, just remember the source - and remember that when we were his age, he was busy filling his diapers, burping a barfing. Zack thinks he's provocative because of the "racial" incident? Who is he trying to kid? The best teacher at SHS was Norbert Sweet - who, unfortunately, is no longer in the world of the living. Val, you are way above his level - and remember, when someone beneath your quality and character drag you into the mud, it only makes that person happy and you all messy...Obviously, Zack continues to respond to these posts. If he really didn't like them, he'd just ignore them. By the way - until there are posted guidelines by Byon the creator, there are no rules to what can and can't be posted on this site. Zack constantly chiming in for everyone else to quit is like the adult who causes more distractions by yelling at his child to doing something, than the child him/herself is causing. Val, you're way out of his league -
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Mon May 28 18:08:44 2001
KDC -- The reference to dittoheads WAS a good-natured jab at folks such as James Kalinski who have posted derogatory references to DemLibs, Al Gore, Jesse Jackson, Hillary and her husband. I never responded to the references because I know they were intended to be provocative, and I generally find it a waste of time to respond to political provocation. Also, I know James well enough from his posts to understand that he isn't mean-spirited. A pain in the neck, yes, but not mean-spirited (winking in James' direction). It's so true that sometimes one's smart-alecky intentions don't translate all that well on-screen. When we get the new message board, I look forward to lively exchanges with you.
From: VBA (81) on Mon May 28 15:58:53 2001
TLA- Bravo to you! I'm so glad you're here!! And KDC, before we start another round of "lets beat on eachother for feeling different ways" can you please NOT bite Kelly for a good natured jab, when Deb-Libs (as they've been called here) have been the brunt of so many themselves, here on this board? Please? Let's NOT start another round. I think it's probably safe to say that anyone with half a brain KNOWS that there are flaws in both political parties and standpoints, which is precisely why there are two (major ones, anyway) Rebuplicans certainly don't have all the answers, as neither do the Democrats. Instead of hollaring at eachother, let's discuss WHY certain points are viable or not so, regardless of who those points come from. BTW, Kelly, I agree with you totally about Osberg. I would not allow my children to remain in a classroom where such language was tolerated, regardless of what I *thought* he intended by allowing it to happen. (The gratuitous use of that word (and other vulgarities) on this board ought to be halted too.. and that's all I'm saying about THAT.)
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 28 15:39:46 2001
Dave, I ran all four years. I would have been a freshman when you were on the team. Matter a fact I ran on Varsity that year in the league finals. Problem was I did not know I was running varsity until 5 minutes before the race. Thanks coach! I held some records too; I think some of them still stand. Zack, maybe it’s just me, I don’t know. When someone try’s to direct something your way our voice an honest opinion about something you said. Which is something you said you appreciate if I understood you correctly? Why do you get mad? Our is it me and I’m miss interrupting your postings. Bill you dog, I’m going to think of the surf & sand all day now. That’s it I’m going to the beach now.
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 28 15:26:02 2001
TLA, yes and he's an OBGYN.
From: TLA (1974) on Mon May 28 15:09:19 2001
Zack, I think the clarity -- or lack thereof -- which you have demonstrated in your attempt to state your position is sufficient evidence as to whether or not I think you are stupid.
From: Zack (2000) on Mon May 28 14:46:52 2001
TLA.... you honestly think I'm stupid, or do you just disagree with my language? in any event I was quoting somebody. And by saying what you'd really like to call me is inappropriate for the board is a cowardly statement. I respect honesty a great deal. When Osburg was telling us there were no other AAs in the class it was to make sure I wasn't in the just to say the n word just because most liukely nobody would be offended. That's what old Ozzy was saying, THERE is no difference. as for discussions, I'll take part in them on board 2 when it opens up.... in the meantime.... let me say I hate n***ers too..... just as I hate white trash and all people that fit the steretype that applies to the worst of their race because they just make themselves and their race look bad. If you ever see American History X, you understand the kinf of intelligence that racists use to persuade other people to be racist, and it's all very honest, it just isn't right to pick on someone based on their race specifically. Everyone should be judged as an individual an no matter what they are to be labeled in some way, it's up to them whether it's a good or bad associative image.
From: Bill (68) on Mon May 28 14:11:15 2001
aloha from Paradise !!!! Looks like everyone here is still having a good time...applaud to VBA ... Happy Memorial Day Weekend ya'll
From: Dave Dalton (1980) on Mon May 28 14:03:31 2001
Hello All - Heather, how about something that covers how people communicate with each other in the 21st century. Long gone is the handwritten, Post Office delivered thru rain, sleet, or snow, and tucked away in a dresser drawer, -- letter. How the technology age has really just begun. Or, how the closest star is really not that far away anymore. I was watching a movie with my 4th and 6th graders last night. there was a scene where a rotary phone was being dialed. The way it worked was so foreign to them. Like if someone took me to the desert, pointed at a cactus, and told me "This is what YOU will make YOUR shoes out of today". These were all we had 30 years ago. I have the best all-time bumper sticker on my car (even better than my Boston one that I had on my El Camino at school!!). Simply a peace sign, with the text "Pass It On". Different opinions are what makes us individuals. But, there ARE threads that bind us together in some ways - events, experiences, and places. SO imagine Dave holding up a hand with two fingers and "PASS IT ON". Rich, what years were in track? I was a runner in x country fresh and soph years, and track as a soph. I even held the SHS record for the sophomore 880 for a short time. WUHOO!! I'd struggle to do it today in thrice the time! :) Dave
From: TLA (1974) on Mon May 28 13:58:40 2001
Richard, a few weeks ago you referred to someone named Robert in the context of the question "do you know what Robert is doing now?" Is the track runner that you refer to below and the Robert referenced several weeks ago the same person? If yes, what does he do? You never filled us in. KDC, some of us who are pseudo-political wonks are conflicted about public policy (I am an example of this). On some issues I'm completely agree with the Republican agenda (keep those tax breaks coming, smaller gov't, don't punish companies such as Microsoft for being smart business people by breaking up the company) but I also support a woman's right to choose, and environmentalism. Therein lies the conflict. I think it's possible to have conservative fiscal philosophy but liberal(ish) social philosophy. Unfortunately, this middle ground, where I believe many people reside, has no real voice in politics.
From: KDC (1982) on Mon May 28 13:37:10 2001
KS - Calling conservatives 'dittoheads' is quite insulting. I can be equally broad with my assertion that brainwashed liberals believe in the Socialist credo of re-distribution of wealth, big government that’s there to solve every problem for every American, and entitlement programs that stifle initiative. Wow, giving a tax cut to the people who actually pay the taxes, what a mean-spirited concept. I'm sure that you believe that the rich (Little Dicky Gephart classifies that as a family income over 160K – not hardly rich) should pay over a third (39%) of their income to taxes. I’m sure that you’re pro-choice when it comes to abortion, but not when it comes to school vouchers or gun owner’s rights – I guess that really isn’t pro-choice but just pro-abortion. I guess what it really comes down to is ‘personal responsibility’ - living life without an onerous, oppressive tax system and having a much smaller government. PEACE
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Mon May 28 13:06:07 2001
TLA, please do continue to post. We need more liberal Democrat voices here to counterbalance all the Dittoheads! I'm on your end of the political spectrum, by the way. Yes, for Osburg to allow a student to use the "n" word in class is shocking. Students (and everyone else) ought to be able to express themselves without resorting to obscenities. And I can't see what difference it makes that there were no African-Americans in the classroom, as Osburg suggested. What kind of message does that send to students, whatever their color? I want to encourage Zack and others his age to keep posting here because I enjoy the different perspectives. As long as we can all keep it civil. Slinging insults back and forth is not going to help us understand each other's point of view.
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 28 11:35:09 2001
TLA, I did run the 220, but not the 440. I had a good friend named Robert that did that and kicked my but time wise so I long Jumped insted. No I don't run any more, I got lazy & gained a few pounds. I still suprise people every now and then when we play softball or something. I usally get a wow where did that come from. Oh and thanks for coming out and watching. Please continue to post, our bark is worse than our bit. We love other points of view.
From: TLA (1974) on Mon May 28 10:51:51 2001
Kelly, you are right in your clarification of Z's use of the 'n' word. I didn't make myself clear that he was recounting a story from his class. I do, however, find it hard to believe that a teacher would allow use of the word in a classroom presentation. Richard, I'm not sure if I'll continue to post. I'm at the opposite end of the political spectrum from most of you -- a liberal democrat -- so .... But, I do know who you are. I was in college and a few of my buddies told me about a fast freshman who ran track so I went out to see you run a couple of times. 100 yard dash as I recall. Did you run 220 and 440 too? Do you still run?
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Mon May 28 07:05:59 2001
Zack, I can't fault you for your post about Osburg. I had asked you for specifics and that's what you wrote. The "n" word is offensive, to me and to others, but the way I read your post you were only describing someone's report. Apparently that was the word she used. You said you liked her report for its honesty. I can't fault you for that, either. I'd rather have the prejudiced folks come right out and say what they mean. Then you see what they are about. I don't know how you feel about the things your classmate said--I understood in your post that you simply liked that she was honest about her feelings. You did describe the report as intelligent. I obviously wasn't there to hear it, but I wouldn't call a report where the person stands up and says how much she hates n*****s all that intelligent. What does that have to do with the Underground Railroad? It would be like me doing a report on the Holocaust and saying, "Of course, you know, I really hate this Jew at my job. Not all Jews, you understand. Just him." Wouldn't you, listening to this report, find yourself thinking, "Whaaaa?"
From: Rich (1981) on Mon May 28 01:10:12 2001
Great post Heather. I think that's the first of it's kind, I hope you get some great advice. There are alot of good people on this Board. Kelly, might be a good one to talk to.
From: Richard Weeks (1981) on Mon May 28 01:07:18 2001
Man I spend a couple of days with the family and miss all the fun. Chonk, I don’t care whom you want to give credit to for the extra site, if you think Zack is responsible great. It works for me. Whatever roll I played, I did for everyone not myself. Zack, I’m glad a teacher had such an impact on you. It’s important that teachers no matter how moronic some of us think they are touch someone in a positive way during their career. Zack if you can take that experience and do something positive with it great. Were there any other teachers that had an impact like that on you? Oh and one more thing for Zack, I think you turned down the right street with your request to complete your discussion with Val out of the public eye. Maybe you and Chonk can do that from now on, if you feel like debating something and you think there might be something that someone would find offensive in it ask them to discuss it with you outside of the message board. I like that approach. Otherwise feel free to jump in on any subject we discuss. Hey TLA, thanks for chiming in. Are you going to become a regular? Kelly thanks! Val, remember that group I was suggesting for our reunion? Well I just spent the day at Disneyland and they were performing there today. What a great cover band, there isn’t anything they can’t play. I had a great time listening to them. If anyone is curious there called the Zippers, if you get a chance to see them go for it. You won’t be disappointed. Oh and yes Kelly was correct I did post some messages under the name Peacemaker, I felt it was a neutral name that people would listen to given the topic at the time. James, you’re being quiet. Kev you out there? Mr. Dalton, how about you, what’s up? You know I started think which teacher had an impact on me in school and I could only come up with one name. Mr. Kalmar. He did something for me no other teacher would do, he gave me an honest grade, which caused me not to be able to run track until I brought the grade up. James you remember that don’t you? You see for some of you that don’t remember, I was good at track. So much so that teachers & the administration quite often looked the other way when it came to my many indiscretions. Kalmar didn’t, that I appreciated. I didn’t need or want the free ride, but I got it anyway. Anyone else have a teacher(s) story or two?
From: Heather (2000) on Mon May 28 00:16:53 2001
Hey all... I have to decide on my major next semester (yes that's a long ways away, but it's never to early to start researching) and I am deciding between Business/Marketing and English. I figured this would be a good place to look for any advice or things along those lines, so if anyone got their degrees in either of those majors, I'd love to hear what you are doing now, and what helped you make your choice etc. Please email me rather than take up more room on here... Heather
From: TLA (1974) on Sun May 27 23:33:11 2001
I've never posted to this web site before but over thepast few months I've enjoyed the dialog and trips down memory lane. But tonight's literary effort by Zack requires me to say something. Zack, you are way out of line for the personal attack on VBA. I have followed the toing and froing of the past few weeks and she has done nothing to you or anyone else to deserve the attack you unleashed on her this evening. But what I find even more horrifying is your casual use of the "n" word when describing your classroom experience. Are you crazy? Do you have no sense of civility? I did not have the pleasure of knowing VBA but from all indications she is too much of a lady to tell you how much of an idiot you are. I agree with her that I thought we had seen the worst of your behavior last weekend but you have managed to surpass even yourself for personal decency and civility. May I respectfully request (notice that I am respectfully requesting???) that you stop the personal attacks, leave VBA alone and if you choose to post notes that can offend, use some good judgment. Hang in there VBA. This kid is a moron. (By the way Zack, I did use good judgment in calling you a moron. What I'd really like to call you is not appropriate for this board).
From: VBA (81) on Sun May 27 18:36:01 2001
I didn't know that #2, 3 or 5 WERE cliches! Gosh, the stuff you learn here! This is SUCH a great experience!
From: VBA (81) on Sun May 27 18:34:19 2001
Yeah!! I'm a winner! Oh goodie! You can't imagine how thrilled I am to win something from...oh wait..you don't have a name! I didn't even know this was a chiche contest. I am sure I could have done much better if I'd tried... Ah well, looks like I'm a winner all the way around, today! Hooray for me!! :D
From: The Cliche Game (and the winner is.....) on Sun May 27 18:28:13 2001
VBA!? with 5 in a three line post 1.) you have shown your true colors here today 2.)You make me laugh 3.) see the level you've stooped to 4.) Just when I thought you'd hit ground zero... 5.) One thing is for certain
From: Zack (2000) on Sun May 27 18:21:09 2001
I thought you stopped reading my posts. I never wanted to be accepted by you, your peers or anyone else here.... in fact I called you sad saps for a reason. Val do me a favor, give me your email address and I'll tell you everything I need to tell you privatly so we wont have to bother everyone else, or even better drop me a line @ Nuttymong@aol.com
From: VBA (81) on Sun May 27 18:11:07 2001
One thing is for certain Zack, you have shown your true colors here today. I will never have to say a single thing about you because you just said it all yourself. You make me laugh, little boy. Let's see how accepted YOU are when people see the level you've stooped to this time. An all time low, even for you. Amazing. Just when I thought you'd hit ground zero...
From: Zack (2000) on Sun May 27 17:59:26 2001
To Val.... to answer the question you couldn't.... it's because your a cold hearted bitch who doesn't think things out and has the maturity of a baby kitten. You like to poke fun at things and people in your own little twisted way while still agreeing with the majority in order to appeal to them (to be accepted), you throw in little one liners to get the last word in and even after saying something like "I'm going to stop reading your posts" you make little comments about me, that you hope I'll respond to defensivly and when I don't, you still take every oppurtunity you can to backhand me.... well I got what I needed to accomplished, no help from anti-progressives like you who accomplished very litte. As For Kelly... I don't think being mean is the best way to teach, but I do think as proving your enforcement techniques is a good way to maintain order, being a meanny helps embed things into students brains as well. Osburg never TAUGHT me anything from the book, he taught it from his head and heart as he viewed life.... from his head and heart, not from any books. He may not have been a teacher like everybody else.... but I don't think he ever poked fun at anyone who he didn't see poke fun of someone else first. His methods of discipline were his voice... he never punished anyone likewise... people were afraid of him for no good reason, and he bonded better with his male students better than his female students.... another reason I like him better than you do. Stories: 2 of my most memorable ones..... we were to do a report on any chapter in the history book 1 -13... I chose the stock market and these reports were to be in depth and accurate.... well when oral report time came round' I had tons of information, but didn't know any of it... it was all on paper, so when people went up they would read words, but not understand what they were saying and Osburg would say "Don't read the cards, tell us what you mean." because the other students would drift off..... so when it was my turn, I went up there and started reading off my cards and didn't make any sence... so Osburg would tell me to get to the good stuff, and I didn't have any so I skipped to another paragraph I didn't understand and he would say "Don't read from the cards" because he was persistant and I was a goof... I put down the paper and picked up some chalk... I drew a bar grapg on the board and explained that people put money into the stock, and when the stock rose to it's peak (I drew clouds and said "Sky High") you should sell.... because if you didn't sell it would go down (and I drew pebbles and a ground "Ground LEvel") and would be worthless. That was it... the end of my report, I think I got a "C" but I got lots of laughs because of how obscure the report was, the report Osburg provoked..... another incident was when this girl went up to the front and did a report on the Underground railroad but this chick had independent views on stuff so she went up there and bashed black people (Well not all black people, as she put it.... just n***ers.... there's a difference between all black people and n***ers. and she explained it... she hates n***ers but doesn't have a problem with black people in general). Really honest, she did lots of research, an intelligent report. OSburg appreciate that, so did I. When it was time to do oral critiques for extra credit and I went up there and said I liked hers the best because she was honest and thought provoking, when Osburg said to be specific I said how accurate she was with her info... when he said cite information, I tried to, and when he told me to quote her I said I liked how honest she was about her hatred of n***ers. The whole class erupted in laughter, and I wasn't trying to be funny. Osburg motioned for me to take my seat and I did. After class he calmly told me how racial issues were a problem and even though we have no black people in our class how it could spread and people get the wrong idea about me, the girl and him.... he was down-to-earth, compassionate and honest..... but still a nut who made me laugh at his exspence more so than anyone elses. So before you go bashing the old man into the ground, just think that every time you've thought about him or been mad or laughed at him.... he did it for a reason, because he was a charecter..... a charecter with good intentions. HE had an entire fan club.
From: WhOEvEr YoU WanT () on Sun May 27 13:34:21 2001
"How far is too far"? Val must be right, the Osburg guy must have been a lousy teacher.
From: Kelly Scott (1980) on Sun May 27 13:09:56 2001
Chonk, unless Zack was going by the screen name "Enough Already," he wasn't the first person to bring up the problem. Right after that post, Peace Maker (aka Richard Weeks, I believe) posted something about putting up a second message board. Then we get to Zack's "I believe this site has lost it's original meaning" post. Now Zack -- telling me Osburg is a legend because he left a legacy behind him -- a legacy of what? If you've got lots of Osburg stories to tell, let's hear them. Let's get to something specific. As for Osburg using meanness to accomplish something, do you really think that's the best way to teach?
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