From:
Johnny
(1969) on Mon Oct 18 22:27:47 2004
Looking for Mr. Goodbar.
From:
Lisa Marie Perry
(1974) on Mon Oct 18 14:53:17 2004
Hey guys and gals. Just want you to all know that there is another Perry at South High School this year, and it is my 17 year old son, Evan William Perry. He is on both the XC and Track & Field team, too.
From:
Sweetums
() on Sat Oct 16 22:39:28 2004
Happy 40th birthday, Miss Piggy - I miss you and the days we dated back at SHS....Love, Sweetums
From:
Karen
() on Fri Oct 15 22:53:09 2004
I have a class ring from 1969. It seems to be a mans ring with the intials REK. Would appreciate any help in finding the owner.
From:
Kelly Doyle
(1980) on Thu Oct 14 21:15:01 2004
Does anyone have any information on the 25th reunion for the class of 80?
Thank you, Kelly
From:
Seamus grossman "Shay"
(1989) on Fri Oct 8 02:48:36 2004
Whats up "89" I miss cali. im here in massachusetts doing the marriage thing. And having a good life. Old school rocks!
From:
() on Thu Oct 7 01:06:49 2004
From:
Michael Frederick Zinniger
(1999) on Thu Oct 7 01:06:49 2004
Since I graduated back in the late 90's a lot of heavy *** has gone down. I'm all better now and so it begins. After a short and very regretfull marriage I'm back on the dating scene. My band has just finished its second world tour. I am also teaching outback survival classes in Nimbin, NSW. I have been quite active in the charity community. Just recently I donated
a sufficient amount of amber facial hair to the local shelter. and I still love sweat pants. te amo
From:
() on Tue Oct 5 19:16:39 2004
From:
Lizard King
(1984) on Sat Oct 2 23:26:53 2004
Looking for Dan Levy......aka "Chaca". Anybody know where he can be found?
From:
James Myers
(89) on Sat Oct 2 18:22:26 2004
ASHLEY BENNETTS, Congrats on your marriage and new child. It sounds as if everything is going well. I wish the best to you, dustin and your family. I am really happy for you. Take care, JIM
From:
() on Thu Sep 30 00:28:33 2004
From:
Jon Lopez
(2000) on Thu Sep 30 00:28:26 2004
Just a note to those who might have cared:
Define Luck: Finding out your (army reserve) orders shifted shortly before your deployment date from Iraq to a short-term support mission in WA state. =)
Yeah, I didn't have to go, luckily. Now back in SoCal, wurkin and schoolin. Later!
From:
jennie
(05) on Wed Sep 29 09:58:46 2004
wwuss
From:
Wolfgang Henopp
(search contact) on Mon Sep 27 15:39:35 2004
I am looking for a friend named Emily Henopp. I would like to talk to him again. Would you please e-mail me if you find out any thing at whenopp@web.de.thank you. Wolfgang Henopp
From:
Timothy Baker
(1984) on Sun Sep 26 19:05:15 2004
I am interested in information regarding an incident at South High circa 1968 in a US History class. The incident involved a teacher(Mr. Baker) and a student whose name I don't know. If anyone remembers anything about this please contact me at the above email. Thanks.
Tim
From:
Nichole Franks
(1980) on Sun Sep 26 14:36:31 2004
Any pics from our reunions available on the net?
From:
Kdawg
(2000) on Sun Sep 26 02:51:43 2004
hey guys- website plug in 5,4,3,2,1... www.classifiedbuyers.com - check it out kids- post want ads, place free sell ads and buy just about anything. Help make a fellow Spartan famous :)
From:
Tilly
(1986) on Fri Sep 24 01:30:58 2004
A horse is a horse ofcourse ofcourse.
From:
Lizard King
(1985) on Fri Sep 24 01:27:52 2004
Jimmy cracked corn......I don't care.
From:
.........
(2000) on Thu Sep 23 18:32:48 2004
i think the dress code is stupid! people should dress however they express themselves.
From:
Byon
(1986) on Mon Sep 20 12:19:41 2004
Looking at the 1969 yearbook, I see a:
Raymond Kelly
Robert Kirkruff
Robert Koenigsberg
Robert Kurtz
From:
Karen
() on Mon Sep 20 11:08:16 2004
I have recently come across a class ring from 1969 that my husband found over 20 years ago. The initials inside are R.E.K. It appears to be a man's ring. If you know who this ring might belong to, please contact me.
From:
magali
() on Sat Sep 18 22:08:00 2004
Mi compaņero Brian que ahora vino a vivir a Argentina va a mi escuela Nuestra Seņora del Sagrado Corazon.
Saludos a todos
From:
Magali
() on Sat Sep 18 22:06:45 2004
Hola
From:
Dan Spahr
(1988) on Wed Sep 15 15:55:43 2004
You go Dana and Andrew...Do us younger guys get to bowl when we come to town? South Soccer seems to still Rock just not the same...
From:
Araceli Navarrete
(2008) on Wed Sep 15 12:26:55 2004
Hey Bryan want to talk to me
From:
Araceli Navarret
(2008) on Wed Sep 15 12:25:17 2004
Hey anybody want to talk to me
From:
MAIRA ARREDONDO
(2008) on Wed Sep 15 12:24:20 2004
ANYBODY WANT TO TALK TO ME
From:
Maira Arredondo
(2008) on Wed Sep 15 12:23:18 2004
SOUTH HIGH IS THE BEST!!!!!!! KEEP IT UP
From:
Andrew Martz
(1987) on Tue Sep 14 22:51:08 2004
Hope all is well. Dana and I are rocking along in Tempe, AZ where we own a bowling alley. Come on by. Saturday night rock and bowl is a blast.
From:
Bill M
(68) on Fri Sep 10 14:56:41 2004
Got your message. Glad everything is going good. Hope her first day at school went well.
Bill
From:
ChrisJ(68)
() on Thu Sep 9 23:34:31 2004
Bill M, I replied to your E-mail, but was out of town for a trip, so it didn't get answered right away. Thanks for the thoughts re: Jeryn. CJ
From:
Rhonda Beckman
(1965) on Thu Sep 9 22:41:04 2004
The reunion is planned.The class of 65, along with the classes of 64 and 66, are invited to the 40th reunion in 2005. We will meet the evening of August 27, 2005 at the Embassy Suites, 11767 Harbor Blvd, Garden Grove, CA. Reservations for rooms can be made after 8/27/04 by calling 714 539-3300. This location is close to Disneyland and other theme parks so that you will have plenty to do before and after the big evening. The cost is $75 per person if you book before March 1, 2005 and $95 after that (less than we could get in the Torrance area). Rooms are $119.00. Please send checks to Ross Gardner, P.O. Box 92361 Long Beach, CA
> 90809. An informal gathering will be taking place the 26th, the night before the big
reunion. Details to follow.
> Send Ross your money before March 1, 2005 and save $20.
> Please send me your current address and the addresses of all classmates you
know of. I will be mailing out announcements via snail-mail by the end of September 2004.
Rhonda
From:
Amanda (Shields) Schweizer
(1991) on Wed Sep 8 12:42:35 2004
Hey "Hootie"! I'm just north of you in Boerne, TX. Nice to hear of another South High Alum in the San Antonio area. So, do you have any of those adorable miniature angus cows on your ranch? Saw some at the Kendall County Fair this weekend - very cool. We'd love a tour of your ranch if you're up to it.
From:
() on Tue Sep 7 17:40:30 2004
From:
ChrisJ(68)
() on Mon Sep 6 23:34:14 2004
Bill M, just saw your note to Bill A. How is Rick doing? I used to see his mother once in a while when I worked on Calle and PCH. Hope all is well with him. Tell him I said hello. C-YA CJ
From:
BillM
(68) on Mon Sep 6 23:29:20 2004
Chris Johnson...still around? Sent to your provate email address but no reponse...change providers?
Bill
From:
Bill
(68) on Sun Sep 5 12:39:56 2004
Samantha, if you are referring to bringing her in to school for a day, at our school one would arrange that through the administration office , whereas one would request for a " Visitor Pass " for a day and then that visitor person could go with a student and be on campus for the day. As long as that person kept to the school rules and did not become a behavior or disruption issue in a class.
Is that what you are asking about?
From:
samantha karg
(2008) on Sun Sep 5 12:25:56 2004
how can i bring my sister-n-law which is Brittaney Ray that grad last year how can i bring her in for a day???
please email me back and tell me soon thank you
From:
Bill
(68) on Fri Sep 3 04:16:13 2004
Staying employed is good especially if one is not independently wealthy and Big awards are good. I just got a 21" trophy for 2nd place in the local pool league. Does that count???? Glad Bob got a big award too !!!! The world needs more awards. Saturday is the 18 mile World Championship Queen Liliokalani Canoe Race, my crew is racing Iron so I'll try to win another award. emails hmmm one is konadays@yahoo.com one is twmltd@kona.net. I think I was driven crazy quite some time ago; although some mistake it for growing up.
aloha
From:
Bill M
(68) on Thu Sep 2 22:23:55 2004
Bob,
Works at the university. Director of video something or other. Got some big award so they keep him employed. Don't exactly know what he does, but he says he doesn't teach. I'll find out when I see him. Is konadays still your email. If so, there is a group I communicate with that will drive you crazy Paul & Rick are in it.
From:
Bill
(68) on Tue Aug 31 12:39:26 2004
Right on, Bill. Tell Bob , wasup....does he work at the University?Or is he still going to college and transfering campuses. Have been wanting to get a PHD, but the University of Hawaii dosen't have them here.
Hey it's another beautiful morning and the early boats are on their way out of Kona Bay to catch the big one.
Aloha
From:
Bill M
(68) on Mon Aug 30 22:31:07 2004
Just got off the phone with Yockey. He mentioned you so I sent him your email...if it is still Konadays. I hadn't heard about Cabby Lee. I have no idea about Kurz?? Bob Knop is coming down from UC Davis to do something at UCLA in Sept. Suppose to hook up for dinner.
From:
Bill
(68) on Sun Aug 29 19:14:02 2004
Yo. Bill good to hear an update, wow Rick Hynes, what a hoot tell him I said wasup!! I always wondered if Bob Harris would make it so it sounds like he went to the light along with Bob Hass, Jim Hass, Cabby Lee, and Jim Madison ...RIP Boyz, re: Paul Yocky,,,,tell him I used to live on Pelaluma Hill Road when I went to Sonoma State, tidbit of trivia info , I still own a home in Norco, Calif. and during World War II the two cities it the US that were the two top egg producing cities in the country were Norco and Petaluma , California.
What about Dan Kurz??
laters, ya'll
From:
Dana Keir
(87) on Sat Aug 28 04:11:12 2004
Hello to all! Still married with 2 kids (Tate 4 and Chase 2). I recently decided it was time for a career change. I wasn't quite fulfilled as a trash collector and part time javelin catcher (at the Olympics). Recently, Andrew Martz and I decided to leave the South Bay and buy a bowling alley, and adjacent Denny's Restaurant, in Tempe, AZ. It has always been our dream to own our own bowling alley. My average is now up to 247 and Andrew's is 251. Keeping up the day to day operations keeps me busy and we are adjusting to the hotter climate. If you are ever around, stop in and see us. I still stay in touch with Rick Biedler (who is a silent partner in the business). Take care.
From:
Bill M '68
(1968) on Thu Aug 26 22:55:08 2004
Ian Tanza works for the City of Torrance, I'll let Chris J. look him up. We never got along. Chris Morton moved to Seattle area years ago, don't know if he is still there. Brent Maloney got involved in things, and is now paying the price. I heard from a couple of different sources that Bob Harris is no longer with us.I have been in communication with Rick Hynes...no he is a guy that was hard to find. Bill A. been over there several times but not to Big Island since I found out you were there. Visited Maui for a week in March..Lahania is my favorite tourist place. Chris J, talked with John Kurth who is still a good friend of Al Cardenas who lives in Texas. In July visitied Paul Yockey up in Petaluma...that's about enough for now. Take care 68, Our bench is still at South
From:
Lori (Weiner) Leskin
(1984) on Thu Aug 26 17:02:27 2004
In 1981 or 1982, to celebrate its 25th anniversary, SHS buried a time capsule. The plan as a recall it was to open 25 years later as part of the South 50th Anniversary celebration. As shocking as it seems, by my calculations, that time is fast approaching. Does this sound familiar to anyone and does anyone know about any plans to open it?
From:
TONYA PENN-MALDONADO
(83) on Wed Aug 25 10:07:55 2004
Hey David Baker,
How have you been? Haven't heard from you in a while. Email me soon.
From:
Chris J(68)
() on Wed Aug 25 00:08:53 2004
Bill(68) As for the other guys you mentioned, I've had no contact with any of them in recent memory! Still trying for info on 'ACE'. I'll be off the board for a week or so. Going on a long range fishing trip into Baja. I'll check the board when I return. Aloha brah. CJ
From:
Chris H
(68) on Mon Aug 23 14:09:26 2004
hodvovdb njfbnkbfibf (1992) on Sat Aug 21 09:43:45 2004 spewed:
> your school sucks
Those crazy West High kids; they never do learn how to spell their own name
From:
hodvovdb njfbnkbfibf
(1992) on Sat Aug 21 09:43:45 2004
your school sucks
From:
Bill
(68) on Sat Aug 21 02:28:29 2004
Chris, Ray lives in Gardena and is a painting contractor.(310) 324-4607
he's still playin golf and surfing
Re: Ian ( ACE ) Tanza
right on , let me know.
Ever see Chris Morton, Chris Cable, Dan Kurz, or Brent Maloney???
From:
Anti Zack
() on Thu Aug 19 11:40:48 2004
http://pub49.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=4185993349&cpv=2
Love it
Live it
Learn it!
From:
Chris J(68)
() on Mon Aug 16 01:17:57 2004
Bill, when I get the chance, I'll try to find out more about Ian, and a way to contact him. If indeed he is still employed by the city, I should be able to track him down. CJ
From:
ChrisJ(68)
() on Mon Aug 16 00:56:23 2004
Bill, I think that was Crystal's maiden name! Say hello to Ray, I doubt I've seen him since about 70 or 71. Does he still live in Socal? Talk soon brah. CJ
From:
Bill
(68) on Sun Aug 15 02:46:46 2004
Yo, Chris...all kewl in paradise, it was I that was asking about Ian.
Summer vacation is over and it's back to school, I'm the Counselor for the 11th grade this year, I've had em since they were freshman, they're growing.Still racing outrigger canoes. Talked to Ray Padoris on the phone , who is coming her in October. What a hoot.
Crystal what was your last name in HS ?
Chris Huey, I checked out your web site ya'll look mountan rugged allright and I see that your the one with the monopoly on the keg of beer, a man's gotta know his priorites, and if ya lost your hair , it looks like ya grew a berret, so what the hell.
McCaig.....wasup brah?
I remember a garage band with Al Cardinez and I think Rick Anderson 64.
Still collecting guitars, amps, keyboards and mic's over here, and fooling around with music.
From:
Chris Johnson(68)
() on Wed Aug 11 00:53:00 2004
Aloha Bill, hows things in the islands? Another summer almost past and me not partaking of the surf! Hello to Chris Huey, haven't heard that name in many years. Hope all is well with you up there in Oregon.Things are still crazy here in Torrance, but even MORE traffic congestion than 10 years ago. Someone was asking if anyone had heard from Ian Tanza awhile back. I heard his name mentioned at a recent City of Torrance council meeting last week. I can't find him in the city employee directory, but I believe he still works for the city. Marja Schulte, I'm still trying to track down Bob Harris last known. When I find out something, I'll let you know. Bill Mc, stop by the station some time when you're over this way. Hello Crystal, it's nice to see some new people from '68' on here. Hope all are well. CJ
From:
Jessica
() on Tue Aug 10 21:32:54 2004
From:
Chris Huey
(68) on Tue Aug 10 18:21:18 2004
Bill, I do remember you. That was sure a fun time! Has anyone heard what became of Jeff? Last I heard he was in some cycle gang but that was ages ago.
Has anyone seen my hair? I've lost it somewhere! :-)
I haven't been back to Torrance since my parents moved up here to Oregon about 10 years ago. Has it gotten crazier?
From:
Kim Ronan
(1998) on Tue Aug 10 17:22:45 2004
Hi! It's great to read what's going on with everyone. We sound so grown up talking about our careers, marriages, children, etc. I graduated from UCLA in 2003 and have been working in the Psychology Department @ UCLA for the past year while I'm preparing for grad school. I had to move back home, so yes, I'm still in Torrance. I can't wait to see everyone at a reunion (if not sooner!)
From:
Bill McKaig
('68) on Tue Aug 10 15:58:57 2004
Chris Huey,
Remember when you and I and Jeff Gardner had a garage band for a short time?? I'm still in Torrance
Bill
From:
Chris Huey
(68) on Mon Aug 9 18:03:59 2004
I only learned about this site while Googling around a few weeks ago. Better late than never... I'm playing in a Celtic/Irish/Bluegrass/Eclectic folk rock band. Check out http://www.shamrockgold.com/rose/ and you can see a fairly recent pic of me with the band. We've finished recording our second CD - should be out soon.
We're living on 7 acres of forest land about 35 miles west of Portland. Got dogs, cats, rabbits, goats (cashmere), parrots, canaries, fish; a regular menagerie!
From:
Bill
(68) on Sun Aug 8 04:17:02 2004
Aloha, Crystal Hardman,Chris Huey from Class of 68, did ya'll just come out of the woodwork, Chris your yearbook is in the barn,,,cool,,,,Crystal what was your last name in 68, and what are you looking for in the yearbook , out of curiosity. Hope both of you are well.
YO,Chris J. Wasup,,,
hey,Greg Kaiser 67 called me from Kealakekua the other nite and said Raymond Padoris 68 was coming to the islands in October to Chillax for a while.
To all other Alumni....Have a marvelous day,and don't forget to tell the people you love that you love them......
From:
zack
(2000) on Sat Aug 7 04:40:25 2004
Ryan Thomas (2000) R.I.P. -
http://www2.humboldt.edu/~merge/modules.php?op=modload&name=PagEd&file=index&page_id=394
From:
Chris Huey
(68) on Fri Aug 6 14:37:08 2004
I have a '68 yearbook out in the barn somewhere. I'm loathe to part with it but I can scan/Email whatever you might need.
And, to kill two proverbial birds with one stone, I live near Portland, Oregon.
From:
() on Wed Aug 4 16:22:02 2004
From:
crystal hardman
(1968) on Wed Aug 4 14:22:18 2004
I am looking for yearbook from class of 1968
From:
70's Picnic
() on Mon Aug 2 16:38:59 2004
Here are the details for this Saturday's (Aug. 7, 2004) SHS 70's Picnic and following events:
10am-4pm Casual Picnic at DePortola Park in Torrance - bring a blanket, basket, bairns(bairn babysitters), balls, banjo, etc...... then from 4:30-6pm we are meeting at Torrance Beach to play (and relax) and watch the sun set, after which we will meet at Hennessy's on Catalina Ave. for some evening fun. Come as you are..... we'll have a great time. questions? contact Lauren at Laurenshs78@cox.net.
From:
Bill Polick
(1964) on Sun Aug 1 22:03:15 2004
Is there a 40 year reuinion?
From:
Rich Rimmey
(1991) on Fri Jul 30 15:23:13 2004
Thanks for getting in touch with me again Jenna. I look forward to working with you again soon! P.S. Tell Briana "Remy" says HI & me love U long time.
From:
bill jones
(1965) on Thu Jul 29 22:12:27 2004
anyone living around portland oregeon, please email me. thanks bill
From:
RJ
(85) on Tue Jul 27 12:14:18 2004
so!
From:
jenna jameson
(1987) on Thu Jul 22 23:05:10 2004
hi. i have just come back to my roots to thank you guys. im south high school class of 1987. anyways i've been in a film titled "private parts" with howard stern so im pretty famous now. bye.
From:
trina mcclannahan
(2007) on Tue Jul 20 16:27:42 2004
How are some people with out in ternet suposed
From:
ChrisJ(68)
() on Tue Jul 20 02:29:43 2004
What happened to the previous months posts?
From:
KAREN HARTEL (MILLER)
(1967) on Mon Jul 19 13:21:06 2004
MARJA SCHULTE - I HAVE TRIED SENDING YOU AN EMAIL BUT KEEPS COMING BACK. CONTACT ME AT THE ABOVE EMAIL. I LIVE IN SAN DIEGO - WHRE ARE YOU?
From:
B Franklin
() on Wed Jun 16 02:30:12 2004
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DANIEL WOOLEY?
From:
daniel woolley
(electricals tech. part 1) on Tue Jun 15 14:31:48 2004
this is daniel and i want to know more about you. i want to study more.thank you.
From:
Bryan
(66) on Sat Jun 12 12:18:51 2004
Hi gail where are you?
From:
Christine lesniewski
(2006) on Fri Jun 11 19:43:15 2004
Iwill Miss my firend Kristen your good wroker.
From:
Kim (Winget) Myers
(1983!!!) on Tue Jun 8 13:25:12 2004
HEY TONYA! I TRIED CALLING YOU BACK, BUT YOUR NUMBER ISN'T WORKING. CALL ME AND LET ME KNOW YOUR NEW NUMBER. LOVE AND MISS YOU!
From:
zack wolk
(2k) on Tue Jun 8 12:28:36 2004
just wanted to show you all my new video http://www.undergroundfunkstarrailroad.com/adrift.ram
From:
Sarah
(1996!!!!) on Mon Jun 7 19:04:08 2004
I'm pretty sure no one from back in my day is checking these message boards...but JUST IN CASE...I would really love to see a copy of a tape of any of the plays I was in from 1993-1996 (I don't know why I never had someone tape them) I don't know how to get a hold of anyone who might have a copy (GREG STONE GREG STONE GREG STONE or anyone else) so if anyone has any info please email me LidlChicky@cox.net thank you. See you in a couple years at the big one-oh reunion!! yikes
From:
oluku
() on Sat Jun 5 09:28:11 2004
guyman i dey hereoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
From:
casey tingley
(2008) on Fri Jun 4 09:41:57 2004
hi wuts up
From:
Nikki (Nicole) Reardon
(1988) on Wed Jun 2 21:52:04 2004
Aaron, got your email and responded. Glad to hear from you, sexy!
From:
Deanne (Farris) Barsi
(1988) on Wed Jun 2 18:59:26 2004
Hi Aaron! Looking forward to our 20th reunion! Eeek... we're getting old!
From:
aaron mason
(1988) on Wed Jun 2 14:43:55 2004
just wanted to say hey to all the grads of '88.
From:
Denise Tillery
(2004) on Tue Jun 1 14:39:31 2004
Hey everyone i went to Calle Mayor with several of yall if anyone sees David Martinek PLease tell him i said hey!!!!!
From:
Brandy Northern
(2004) on Thu May 27 15:14:37 2004
HEY THERE SOUTH HIGH I JUST WANT TO NO DO YOU NO DAVID GARICA IF YOU DO CAN YOU TELL HIM THAT I SAID HI AND THAT I JUST WANT TO MEET HIM AGAIN I'M 15 YEARS OLD HE IS 17 YEARS OLD
THANK YOU
FROM
BRANDY NORTHERN
From:
Deb
(77) on Mon May 24 11:46:23 2004
Summer is almost here! Keep in mind that the annual South High School 70's Alumni picnic is the first Saturday in August.
From:
Joe Price
(1963) on Sun May 23 18:45:21 2004
Hi 63'ers.
Were going to do a 45th reunion in 2008.
August 16, 2008 to be exact at the Hilton.
See you all then.
Joe
From:
George
(89) on Sun May 23 16:56:44 2004
Hello class of '89
From:
Don Van Valkenburg
(64) on Sun May 23 00:37:15 2004
Is there going to be a reunion this year for Class of 64? If I have the math correct that makes 40 years. We should celebrate that.
From:
JOEY BODIFUCCO
(03) on Wed May 19 23:38:49 2004
READ BELOW FIRST: PS, IF THERE ARE ANYMORE OF THESE SIGHTINGS PLEASE CONTACT ME AT
X-MASTREE@FLAGPOLE.TIRE THX
From:
joey bodifucco
(03 babyyy) on Wed May 19 23:34:57 2004
news from the grapevine:GARRET AND TIFFANY WERE SPOTTED TOGETHER AT MULLIGANS, THOUGHT i WOULD PASS IT ON
From:
Brandy northern
(2004) on Wed May 12 15:21:09 2004
hey people can i by a year book off of you guys if it all right ill give you $15.00 dollars hows that sounds
From:
Bill
(68) on Thu May 6 03:32:22 2004
The information was lost on Hawaii Big Island Vacation Home $99.00 / day for SHS Alumni in off season.
Pictures and info on website:
konavacationhomeinhawaii.biz
aloha
From:
Jenna
(2001) on Thu May 6 01:56:59 2004
hello all! How is everyone doing?
